Is this a free country or a police state?

[Codrus]

 

[Minor Axis]

Kelvin is absolutely right in that we have to watch ourselves. The move towards security while degrading personal liberties is a bad one. We could end up down at Singapore's level. I'm dead serious. And I'm dead serious.

I also suspect Kelvin's intentions for authoring this thread are malicious. As with the majority of his posts, the intent seems to be discrediting the object of his perverse affection.

 

[edgray]

Kelvin is absolutely right in that we have to watch ourselves. The move towards security while degrading personal liberties is a bad one. We could end up down at Singapore's level. I'm dead serious.

Britain's already in serious danger of sleepwalking itself into a police state. Some might argue it's already there.

 

[Accountable]

Kelvin is absolutely right in that we have to watch ourselves. The move towards security while degrading personal liberties is a bad one. We could end up down at Singapore's level. I'm dead serious. And I'm dead serious.

Yup. It's our gilded cage.

 

[kelvin070]

Kelvin is absolutely right in that we have to watch ourselves. The move towards security while degrading personal liberties is a bad one. We could end up down at Singapore's level. I'm dead serious. And I'm dead serious.

I also suspect Kelvin's intentions for authoring this thread are malicious. As with the majority of his posts, the intent seems to be discrediting the object of his perverse affection.

Yup. It's our gilded cage.

We measure democracy by the legitimacy of the government and by the results, how singapore works and whether singaporeans are able to have a better life. We dont't measure ourselves by the current so called american socialist model which many of you guys are crying foul :24::24::24:. Now get that into the thick of your heads:24::24::24:

 

[edgray]

american socialist model

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you're a funny man Kelvin.

Can I ask, what's your angle here? You live in a highly oppressive regime and yet you're criticising the US for going in that same direction. I really don't understand where you're coming from.

 

[kelvin070]

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you're a funny man Kelvin.

Can I ask, what's your angle here? You live in a highly oppressive regime and yet you're criticising the US for going in that same direction. I really don't understand where you're coming from.

Dont waste my time. Look at our WEF statistics.

 

[kelvin070]

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you're a funny man Kelvin.

Can I ask, what's your angle here? You live in a highly oppressive regime and yet you're criticising the US for going in that same direction. I really don't understand where you're coming from.

You seem to be carrying the american's balls and so afraid to be critical of them:24:

 

[edgray]

You seem to be carrying the american's balls and so afraid to be critical of them:24:

the fact that you never answer direct questions tells me that either you're incapable or that you simply don't want to. Very troll-like behaviour.

 

[Accountable]

He's admitted as much many times. The mods have shown typical American arrogance in treating him according our own customs rather than honoring his culture by caning him.





We should be ashamed.

 

[edgray]

Dont waste my time. Look at our WEF statistics.

Clearly they don't teach manners in the wonderful oppressed regime that is Singapore...

He's admitted as much many times. The mods have shown typical American arrogance in treating him according our own customs rather than honoring his culture by caning him.

We should be ashamed.

Such terrible arrogance as well: allowing people freedom of speech? who on earth do you guys think you are?! damn you Americans and your ideas of individualistic liberty and personal freedoms!!

 

[Accountable]

It's the brainwashing.

 

[kelvin070]

Keep adding the tokenz pls:24:

 

[edgray]

Keep adding the tokenz pls:24:

loser.

 

[kelvin070]

We're Living in a Police State
The signs are unmistakable; the Obama regime is waging a "war against dissent," rapidly moving the United States to a total police state.

http://www.hermes-press.com/police_state.htm

 

[kelvin070]

Congressman Ron Paul
U.S. House of Representatives
June 27, 2002

Is America a Police State?

Mr. Speaker:

Our commercial interests and foreign policy are no longer separate...as bad as it is that average Americans are forced to subsidize such a system, we additionally are placed in greater danger because of our arrogant policy of bombing nations that do not submit to our wishes. This generates hatred directed toward America ...and exposes us to a greater threat of terrorism, since this is the only vehicle our victims can use to retaliate against a powerful military state...the cost in terms of lost liberties and unnecessary exposure to terrorism is difficult to assess, but in time, it will become apparent to all of us that foreign interventionism is of no benefit to American citizens, but instead is a threat to our liberties.

We have just concluded a century of wars, declared and undeclared, while at the same time responding to public outcries for more economic equity. The question, as a result of these policies, is: "Are we already living in a police state?" If we are, what are we going to do about it? If we are not, we need to know if there's any danger that we're moving in that direction.

Once it's discovered that the desire for both economic and physical security that prompted the sacrifice of liberty inevitably led to the loss of prosperity and no real safety, it's too late. Reversing the trend from authoritarian rule toward a freer society becomes very difficult, takes a long time, and entails much suffering. Although dissolution of the Soviet empire was relatively non-violent at the end, millions suffered from police suppression and economic deprivation in the decades prior to 1989.
But what about here in the United States? With respect to a police state, where are we and where are we going?

Let me make a few observations:
Our government already keeps close tabs on just about everything we do and requires official permission for nearly all of our activities.
One might take a look at our Capitol for any evidence of a police state. We see: barricades, metal detectors, police, military soldiers at times, dogs, ID badges required for every move, vehicles checked at airports and throughout the Capitol. The people are totally disarmed, except for the police and the criminals. But worse yet, surveillance cameras in Washington are everywhere to ensure our safety.

Almost all of our economic activities depend upon receiving the proper permits from the federal government. Transactions involving guns, food, medicine, smoking, drinking, hiring, firing, wages, politically correct speech, land use, fishing, hunting, buying a house, business mergers and acquisitions, selling stocks and bonds, and farming all require approval and strict regulation from our federal government. If this is not done properly and in a timely fashion, economic penalties and even imprisonment are likely consequences.

Over 80,000 federal bureaucrats now carry guns to make us toe the line and to enforce the thousands of laws and tens of thousands of regulations that no one can possibly understand. We don't see the guns, but we all know they're there, and we all know we can't fight "City Hall," especially if it's "Uncle Sam."

All our financial activities are subject to "legal" searches without warrants and without probable cause. Tax collection, drug usage, and possible terrorist activities "justify" the endless accumulation of information on all Americans.
Government control of medicine has prompted the establishment of the National Medical Data Bank. For efficiency reasons, it is said, the government keeps our medical records for our benefit. This, of course, is done with vague and useless promises that this information will always remain confidential- just like all the FBI information in the past!
Personal privacy, the sine qua non of liberty, no longer exists in the United States. Ruthless and abusive use of all this information accumulated by the government is yet to come. The Patriot Act has given unbelievable power to listen, read, and monitor all our transactions without a search warrant being issued after affirmation of probably cause. "Sneak and peak" and blanket searches are now becoming more frequent every day. What have we allowed to happen to the 4th amendment?

http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2002/cr062702.htm

 

[kelvin070]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UbcMHBUo9Y

 

[anathelia]

http://www.hermes-press.com/police_state.htm

We didn't all vote for the "savior" Obama, you do realize that, right?

 

[kelvin070]

We didn't all vote for the "savior" Obama, you do realize that, right?

That speech was made on June 27, 2002 :24:

 

[anathelia]

That speech was made on June 27, 2002 :24:

I quoted the part I could quote from a post about Obama's regime turning this into a police state. Read your own posts?