Is this a free country or a police state?

[kelvin070]

The U.S. is a free state, but, with the advent of Homeland Security not as much......

To an extent I applaud your country's anti-terrorism efforts, but infringing on basic human rights under the ambiguous guise of "security" is wrong.

Homeland Security was set up during the aftermath of 9/11 and since then they been doing an excellent job. If a nation wants to combat terrorism comprehensively leaving no stones unturned then some loss of freedom and human rights violations is inevitable. That applies to Singapore too. Your very own citizens can be a potential threat. Adam Gadahn is an american senior operative with Al-Qaeda. He converted to muslim at the age of 17. The latest is self-radiclisation through the internet. So if you dont come down hard with tough laws then you are just inviting terrorists to strike.

 

[porterjack]

We are a small island and very vulnerable - surrounded by muslim countries like Israel.

???? Malaysia possibly

 

[kelvin070]

???? Malaysia possibly

And indonesia which has the 4th laggest population and the workls largest muslim population at 230 million and singapore is a minnow at 4.5 million.

 

[dt3]

Homeland Security was set up during the aftermath of 9/11 and since then they been doing an excellent job. If a nation wants to combat terrorism comprehensively leaving no stones unturned then some loss of freedom and human rights violations is inevitable. That applies to Singapore too. Your very own citizens can be a potential threat. Adam Gadahn is an american senior operative with Al-Qaeda. He converted to muslim at the age of 17. The latest is self-radiclisation through the internet. So if you dont come down hard with tough laws then you are just inviting terrorists to strike.

If human rights violations are inevitable when fighting terrorism, why are you so opposed to Guantanamo?

Taking away freedoms to give security is still taking away freedoms.

 

[porterjack]

And indonesia which has the 4th laggest population and the workls largest muslim population at 230 million and singapore is a minnow at 4.5 million.

but not Israel

 

[Minor Axis]

I disagree. We cant have seperate laws for terrorists and locals. Besides terrorists some llocal muslims are being indoctrinated by intenet sources to bomb key installations here. We are a small island and very vulnerable - surrounded by muslim countries like Israel.

Countries that like to stomp human rights, like lumping them in with terrorists to make a nice tidy package. Because in their way of thinking, human rights are a threat to the regime. The bottom line is when you are the innocent one dragged away, tough shit. I'm sure you're fine with that until the day it happens to you. Then post us about it.

 

[kelvin070]

Countries that like to stomp human rights, like lumping them in with terrorists to make a nice tidy package. Because in their way of thinking, human rights are a threat to the regime. The bottom line is when you are the innocent one dragged away, tough shit. I'm sure you're fine with that until the day it happens to you. Then post us about it.

If that happens to me how could I post from prison cell. This is not luxury prison like in USA:24:

 

[Minor Axis]

If that happens to me how could I post from prison cell. This is not luxury prison like in USA:24:

Exactly. We don't want you working on your defense... What motivates someone who lives in a quasi-police state to start a thread like this? :humm:

 

[kelvin070]

Countries that like to stomp human rights, like lumping them in with terrorists to make a nice tidy package. Because in their way of thinking, human rights are a threat to the regime. The bottom line is when you are the innocent one dragged away, tough shit. I'm sure you're fine with that until the day it happens to you. Then post us about it.

Like I said earlier you need harsh, tough laws to deter terrorism but Obama has now gone many steps further and is now far ahead of singapore style with absolutely no concern for human rights.
Confirmed: Obama authorizes assassination of U.S. citizen

Today, both The New York Times and The Washington Post confirm that the Obama White House has now expressly authorized the CIA to kill al-Alwaki no matter where he is found, no matter his distance from a battlefield. I wrote at length about the extreme dangers and lawlessness of allowing the Executive Branch the power to murder U.S. citizens far away from a battlefield (i.e., while they're sleeping, at home, with their children, etc.) and with no due process of any kind. I won't repeat those arguments -- they're here and here -- but I do want to highlight how unbelievably Orwellian and tyrannical this is in light of these new articles today.

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/04/07/assassinations

 

[Minor Axis]

Like I said earlier you need harsh, tough laws to deter terrorism but Obama has now gone many steps further and is now far ahead of singapore style with absolutely no concern for human rights.
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/04/07/assassinations

That's debatable. There is a difference between people seeking human rights and terrorists, although people could resort to terrorist tactics to gain human rights. If you look at the U.S., the progress made in human rights has not involved terrorism. Bottom line, the Singapore government views those seeking human rights as threat to their control and wants them thought of as terrorists, when all they want is a fair shake.

 

[kelvin070]

That's debatable. There is a difference between people seeking human rights and terrorists, although people could resort to terrorist tactics to gain human rights. If you look at the U.S., the progress made in human rights has not involved terrorism. Bottom line, the Singapore government views those seeking human rights as threat to their control and wants them thought of as terrorists, when all they want is a fair shake.

Nice damage control on your part :clap

 

[kelvin070]

:24:Read the comments on that story by your fellow contrymen:24::24::24:

 

[Minor Axis]

:24:Read the comments on that story by your fellow contrymen:24::24::24:

I am 100% against this government sponsored program as described in the linked article, but my comments concerning human rights vs terrorists still apply. The terrorist cited in the Salon article, I believe is a terrorist, not a civil rights activist.

You don't use enough smileys in your posts.

 

[kelvin070]

I am 100% against this government sponsored program as described in the linked article, but my comments concerning human rights vs terrorists still apply. The terrorist cited in the Salon article, I believe is a terrorist, not a civil rights activist.

You don't use enough smileys in your posts.

He is US citozen and the due process should apply.

 

[Minor Axis]

He is US citozen and the due process should apply.

Yes it should, unless he is on a battlefield, or he is resisting apprehension. When a bank robber is cornered, the police will demand that he give up. If he does not give up, then most likely he'll be shot. You understand that, right?

 

[kelvin070]

Yes it should, unless he is on a battlefield, or he is resisting apprehension. When a bank robber is cornered, the police will demand that he give up. If he does not give up, then most likely he'll be shot. You understand that, right?

We will see how it goes. I am sure there will be more articles abt that story.

 

[kelvin070]

Authorities probe beating video of Maryland student

(CNN) -- A Prince George's County, Maryland, police officer has been suspended, and prosecutors are investigating an incident -- caught on video -- in which officers wielding nightsticks beat a University of Maryland student, officials said Tuesday.
Authorities also are looking into documents filed by police in the case that appear to contradict the video, Prince George's County police Lt. Andy Ellis said.
The video was shot March 3 after the Maryland men's basketball team defeated Duke. In the video, students can be seen celebrating the win as officers in riot gear and on horseback are nearby. Some students are holding up their cellphones, taking pictures or video of the officers and the celebration.
The video shows a student identified as John "Jack" McKenna skipping down the street and approaching two officers on horseback. After a brief exchange, two officers on foot slam McKenna against a wall and he falls to the ground. A third officer joins the first two, and the three strike McKenna with nightsticks while he is on the ground as other students scatter

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/04/13/maryland.police.beating/index.html?hpt=T2

 

[Minor Axis]

Authorities probe beating video of Maryland student

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/04/13/maryland.police.beating/index.html?hpt=T2

In contrast, no one gets slammed into walls in Singapore, and if they did, it would never be reported cause Singapore has top notch security. So what does this prove exactly to you? :smiley24:

 

[kelvin070]

In contrast, no one gets slammed into walls in Singapore, and if they did, it would never be reported cause Singapore has top notch security. So what does this prove exactly to you? :smiley24:

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]It Is Now Official: The U.S. Is a Police State[/FONT]

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]by Paul Craig Roberts[/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Americans have been losing the protection of law for years. In the 21st century the loss of legal protections accelerated with the Bush administration’s "war on terror," which continues under the Obama administration and is essentially a war on the Constitution and U.S. civil liberties.
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]The Bush regime was determined to vitiate habeas corpus in order to hold people indefinitely without bringing charges. The regime had acquired hundreds of prisoners by paying a bounty for "terrorists." Afghan warlords and thugs responded to the financial incentive by grabbing unprotected people and selling them to the Americans. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]The Bush regime needed to hold the prisoners without charges because it had no evidence against the people and did not want to admit that the U.S. government had stupidly paid warlords and thugs to kidnap innocent people. In addition, the Bush regime needed "terrorists" prisoners in order to prove that there was a terrorist threat.[/FONT]][/QUOTE]
http://www.lewrockwell.com/roberts/roberts279.html

Paul Craig Roberts [send him mail], [FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]a former Assistant Secretary of the US Treasury and former associate editor of the Wall Street Journal, has been reporting shocking cases of prosecutorial abuse for two decades. A new edition of his book, [/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]The Tyranny of Good Intentions[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif], co-authored with Lawrence Stratton, a documented account of how Americans lost the protection of law, has been released by Random House.[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]

 

[Accountable]

That doesn't mention Singapore at all. :24: Fucking coward.