Is there such a thing as life after death

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The responders in this thread who claim that when the brain dies, it takes all of your memories of who you are and you cease to exist, let me ask- What happens when they (scientists) are able to reproduce the entire memory record of a human brain and place it into a robot with a processor capable of working at the speed of a human brain and they do it. Not only that but they can duplicate the chemical processes of how an individual's brain works, AND then not only do they do it once, but they take your memories and put them into 10 robots. Is there now ten of you running around and do you in essence live forever as long as your memories are stored? Well, there may be 10 robots running around who think they are you, but so what. The concept of "soul" includes more than just memories, it includes consciousness, and other elements that we do not understand.

When you limit yourself to our knowledge of physical reality, do you really think you are dealing with all the pieces of the puzzle? I think not.

:24: Yeah, like that's going to happen! You might as well ask what happens when Scientists make us immortal. :24:
 
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:24: Yeah, like that's going to happen! You might as well ask what happens when Scientists make us immortal. :24:

I'd disagree. Aristotle said (paraphrased) that if Humans can comprehend it, they could do it. And I am inclined to agree.
It's what lies beyond physics, metaphysics as he called it and still is known today, that humans could never understand as it lies beyond our own physical understanding.
 

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I believe in life before AND after death, and I came to that conclusion all by myself.....not through "blind devotion" or "believing other peoples lies";)

I dont know if "God" does as such....but it must come from somewhere?...therefore it must go "somewhere" too. (IMO)


And yes, I DO believe animals have souls, but they are in a different "soul group" to us.

NUP...I'm fair dinkum.:nod:

No...it doesnt say "all good kitties will go to heaven" animals dont know "sin" or "karma" or whatever...but they still have a soul energy.

I go with what my gut tells me makes sense. I've formulated my own idea of the "truth" in my 46 years here.....and I'm comfortable with that.


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NUP...I'm fair dinkum.:nod:

I've read thousands of ....I guess you would call them "alternative" or "spiritual" books over the last 30 odd years. I've only skimmed "Gods great book";)

No...it doesnt say "all good kitties will go to heaven" animals dont know "sin" or "karma" or whatever...but they still have a soul energy.

I go with what my gut tells me makes sense. I've formulated my own idea of the "truth" in my 46 years here.....and I'm comfortable with that.

Several years ago there was a college who researched psychics by having 3 of them talk to a lady in a controlled environment whose son had committed suicide, but the psychics did not know anything about the lady. The idea was to see how these psychics gather info and it was broadcast on tv. I was impressed, the psychics using their supposed connections to the other side zeroed right in on her son. One of them, after telling her he could see a family group said he saw a little dog too. When asked if she used to own a dog, she said yes, and it had recently died.

I've always acknowledged with a show like this or any broadcast media, the problem is, is it real or is it a set up? However it was intriguing none the less. We are all composed of mass and energy. The question is, do we maintain some organization and memory of our experiences and gain wisdom from those experiences, when our physical mass breaks down and dies? And could it happen multiple times (reincarnation)?
 

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:24: Yeah, like that's going to happen! You might as well ask what happens when Scientists make us immortal. :24:

I'm not sure what you are laughing about but they are have read memories from someone's brain. In fact I thought I read scientists have been able to create a picture from someone's memory, as in a memory of what the person saw. I was not able to find a link regarding pictures of memories.

Brain Scans Can Read Memories | LiveScience
 

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I'm not sure what you are laughing about but they are have read memories from someone's brain. In fact I thought I read scientists have been able to create a picture from someone's memory, as in a memory of what the person saw. I was not able to find a link regarding pictures of memories.

Brain Scans Can Read Memories | LiveScience


Its just such a far fetched hypothetical question it just backs up even more so how this is all just a fairytale plucked out of the sky because it sounds nice. If you cant back up life after death without any facts and just made up stuff like this, your argument fails.
 

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Its just such a far fetched hypothetical question it just backs up even more so how this is all just a fairytale plucked out of the sky because it sounds nice. If you cant back up life after death without any facts and just made up stuff like this, your argument fails.

You can't back up a lot of things with facts, but you still believe them. For example, who's to say that the Hitler actually committed suicide? That's generally believed, but the Russians won't allow us to see his body and he had tons of dupes. The best chance is that he escaped to Paraguay and lived the rest of his life there. We don't even know.

Before I even understood the Bible, I knew that a soul exists. How do you explain personality and command over body? Hormones and Electric Currents? What controls those things? Where did the Universe come from? There has to be a start, no matter what it is. As long as it's physical. That's the flaw in your statement.

In turn of that, I discovered the Bible and put my faith in it. Something definitely exists. There are at least 11 planes of existence that coexist in perfect harmony, how is this done? Physics you say? No. There had to be something that intertwined everything perfectly well. Whether or not the Bible is correct is up to the fate of Infinity.

And if you're going to say something about the fact that God allows suffering, think about this: Let's say you're a father, I don't know if you are or not, but let's just use this as an example. If your kid wanted to participate in Climbing a Climbing Wall, would you let him? The answer would probably be yes, even though you know that your kid can hurt himself.

This is the exact idea of God. God created us in his own image, whether or not that is speaking Physically, Mentally, or Emotionally. It really doesn't matter.

Now, if you're going to argue that God doesn't exist, please don't say that someone's support "fails." There's a good chance that there is more than we know. Actually, there's a definite chance that there is more than we know. Someone's statement may not have enough evidence to back it up, but someday it might.

I really don't want to sound like I'm telling you what to do, but... Please debate with respect for others. I learned this the hard way. You look really stupid if you do that a ton.

As a final note, I wanted to point out that evolution very much exists. It was proven during Reconstruction of The United States, after the civil war. When installing new trains and things like that, the soot got all in the butterflies around the land, their offspring came out black so then it could adapt to the soot. Evolution and Religion very much coexist. To be honest, Science does no more than compliment religion.

Genesis 1 had a very good chance of taking place over an extended period of time. I believe it was after the last mass extinction before humankind came to exist. Why? Because if you read Genesis 1:2, it says that the world was already there, but rather formless and void. I believe that all life went extinct and that God replenished it.
 

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You can't back up a lot of things with facts, but you still believe them. For example, who's to say that the Hitler actually committed suicide? That's generally believed, but the Russians won't allow us to see his body and he had tons of dupes.


The fact that the Russians have now allowed American scientists to do tests on his skull which pretty much proves it was him isn't good enough for you? Not to mention numerous first hand eye witness accounts which tell the same story? I see a hell of a lot more proof that Hitler committed suicide than I see of an afterlife.
 

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The fact that the Russians have now allowed American scientists to do tests on his skull which pretty much proves it was him isn't good enough for you? Not to mention numerous first hand eye witness accounts which tell the same story? I see a hell of a lot more proof that Hitler committed suicide than I see of an afterlife.

Of course there's more evidence, it's part of the material world. But that wasn't the point. The point was that it hasn't been proven. A ton of Nazi generals fled to South America. It's the same concept of proving ideas. And really, is that the only thing you read out of everything I wrote?
 

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Of course there's more evidence, it's part of the material world. But that wasn't the point. The point was that it hasn't been proven. A ton of Nazi generals fled to South America. It's the same concept of proving ideas. And really, is that the only thing you read out of everything I wrote?

Pretty much, everything you wrote is a bunch of baseless speculation. I prefer evidence to blind faith.
 

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Wouldn't it be wild if God was so into freedom that He lets each individual decide what happens after death? Those who think they'll go to Heaven go to Heaven. Those who believe in reincarnation get reincarnated. Those who believe death is the end just cease to exist.

What a concept. :humm:
 

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Wouldn't it be wild if God was so into freedom that He lets each individual decide what happens after death? Those who think they'll go to Heaven go to Heaven. Those who believe in reincarnation get reincarnated. Those who believe death is the end just cease to exist.

What a concept. :humm:


One that just might be truth.........:nod:
 

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Its just such a far fetched hypothetical question it just backs up even more so how this is all just a fairytale plucked out of the sky because it sounds nice. If you cant back up life after death without any facts and just made up stuff like this, your argument fails.

Initially I thought you were responding to what I said, but maybe you are referring to the OP question proposed in this thread. I have no idea. If you were referring to me, I've not made up stuff.
 

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Wouldn't it be wild if God was so into freedom that He lets each individual decide what happens after death? Those who think they'll go to Heaven go to Heaven. Those who believe in reincarnation get reincarnated. Those who believe death is the end just cease to exist.

What a concept. :humm:

Or how about give you some choices and allow you to make a decision after your eyes are opened?
 

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Pretty much, everything you wrote is a bunch of baseless speculation. I prefer evidence to blind faith.

Speculation or not. Every single scientific experiment began with speculation. I think it'd be awesome if God gave you choices. But, to be honest, I think Hell may literally be the idea of ceasing to exist...
 

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Speculation or not. Every single scientific experiment began with speculation. I think it'd be awesome if God gave you choices. But, to be honest, I think Hell may literally be the idea of ceasing to exist...

While that is true, when it was at its speculation stage, it wasn't a fact. Get back to me when you have some evidence of an after life, Hitler running off to S America or any other fantasy you dreamt up.
 

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While that is true, when it was at its speculation stage, it wasn't a fact. Get back to me when you have some evidence of an after life, Hitler running off to S America or any other fantasy you dreamt up.

There is no evidence. It can't be proven yet. I feel when we advance a bit more in technology, we will be able to prove the existence of any afterlife. We were not able to prove that the Earth revolved around the sun, but when we got the technology... We proved it.
 

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There is no evidence. It can't be proven yet. I feel when we advance a bit more in technology, we will be able to prove the existence of any afterlife. We were not able to prove that the Earth revolved around the sun, but when we got the technology... We proved it.


You believe things because they just haven't been proved yet? :willy_nilly:
 
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