Is the U S shirking it’s duty to democracy ?

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Is the U S shirking it’s duty to democracy ?

If the U S does not exercise Police action in the East, is it shirking it’s duty to Democracy?

Like it or not, the Western forces, through the U N’s use of U S military might, along with it’s allies, and the World Bank, Police the world.

A speedy resolve to many of the relatively small wars around the globe could be ours, if we all just told the U S to just do it’s Job and go do the will of the revolutionary forces and take over.

With environmental change moving along at a brisk pace, we as peoples must impose peace more quickly in order to divert resources to life instead of death.

Clearly the people of the East are hesitantly showing that they wish to share, in Western culture. There are points of irritation, so to speak, between East and West but a rapprochement, on the big picture, is obvious.

We know that there are two ways to conquer a nation. Physical warfare or economic warfare. China, as well as other powerful economies, are presently putting economic pressures on the U S economy and therefore inhibiting the U S efforts to protect the revolutionary forces with police action, as opposed to, military, forces.

Democracy would be well served if these countries would ease up just a bit and allow the earth to benefit.

Let me be quick to tell my American friends that in no way do I intend or desire to denigrate U S actions to date. I ask the question more for a future, more simplistic time.

The question then should really be, Is the U S shirking it’s duty to democracy, by not advocating an easing of pressure on the economic front, to facilitate an advance on the switch from military intervention, to a more police style intervention with military intervention, as required.

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I find it hard to believe that in this day and age that the citizenry really wants to practice what Teddy Roosevelt put in practice just a hundred years ago. I think Americans are sick and tired of our Armed Forces going to countries to put out their own fires. Democracy is not something that has to be reiterated to every country that doesn't have it. I am sure the American model has been taught to countries and either nations adopt it or choose not to. Maybe the American plan is the better option and these countries who still have dictators, religious icons, or whoever in charge cannot see past their old fashioned ways. Let countries who want peace fight for it themselves, we do not need to be interfering with their battles, nor should the world.
 

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I find it hard to believe that in this day and age that the citizenry really wants to practice what Teddy Roosevelt put in practice just a hundred years ago. I think Americans are sick and tired of our Armed Forces going to countries to put out their own fires. Democracy is not something that has to be reiterated to every country that doesn't have it. I am sure the American model has been taught to countries and either nations adopt it or choose not to. Maybe the American plan is the better option and these countries who still have dictators, religious icons, or whoever in charge cannot see past their old fashioned ways. Let countries who want peace fight for it themselves, we do not need to be interfering with their battles, nor should the world.


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Well said....
 

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I find it hard to believe that in this day and age that the citizenry really wants to practice what Teddy Roosevelt put in practice just a hundred years ago. I think Americans are sick and tired of our Armed Forces going to countries to put out their own fires. Democracy is not something that has to be reiterated to every country that doesn't have it. I am sure the American model has been taught to countries and either nations adopt it or choose not to. Maybe the American plan is the better option and these countries who still have dictators, religious icons, or whoever in charge cannot see past their old fashioned ways. Let countries who want peace fight for it themselves, we do not need to be interfering with their battles, nor should the world.


Just like the others - well said PJ! :thumbup:clap
 

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I find it hard to believe that in this day and age that the citizenry really wants to practice what Teddy Roosevelt put in practice just a hundred years ago. I think Americans are sick and tired of our Armed Forces going to countries to put out their own fires. Democracy is not something that has to be reiterated to every country that doesn't have it. I am sure the American model has been taught to countries and either nations adopt it or choose not to. Maybe the American plan is the better option and these countries who still have dictators, religious icons, or whoever in charge cannot see past their old fashioned ways. Let countries who want peace fight for it themselves, we do not need to be interfering with their battles, nor should the world.


:homo: I second that, well said :thumbup
 

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The United States should not be policing the world, through the UN or not. We need to pull our troops back home, close most military bases abroad, and focus on the problems in our own damn country. It's time to return to the policy of non-interventionism that ended completely with the Korean War. I don't think there was a problem with US intervention during WW2, as it affected (as is obvious by the name it is known as now) the world. We shouldn't have ever been in Korea, Vietnam, or anywhere else other than Afghanistan over the last 50+ years. Focus on what's important withinin our own borders, and not every little conflict that goes on throughout the world.
 

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(...such a shame to be quite honest...)

In time I suppose. One step at a time before anyone actually sees the "Big Picture" in a sense.
 
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Too many people seem to give up these days.

(...it is unsettling at times how some can knowingly turn a blind eye to the cries of another...)
 

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I find it hard to believe that in this day and age that the citizenry really wants to practice what Teddy Roosevelt put in practice just a hundred years ago. I think Americans are sick and tired of our Armed Forces going to countries to put out their own fires. Democracy is not something that has to be reiterated to every country that doesn't have it. I am sure the American model has been taught to countries and either nations adopt it or choose not to. Maybe the American plan is the better option and these countries who still have dictators, religious icons, or whoever in charge cannot see past their old fashioned ways. Let countries who want peace fight for it themselves, we do not need to be interfering with their battles, nor should the world.

Yet we do on the negative side and fairness says we should for the positive as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMw2Zg_BVzw&feature=related

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Too many people seem to give up these days.



(...it is unsettling at times how some can knowingly turn a blind eye to the cries of another...)

For sure.
Good old tribal mentality.
Many do not want to be global citizens. They prefer to be big fish in a small pond instead of playing in the ocean.
Small minds think small.

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DL
 

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It's a good thing that reality is not as you see it.

We are all in this together, alone.

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I don't agree with that. Each country is in charge of it's own fate - as much as the west has tried, it can't force democracy unto others, and even if it could; it's a pointless endeavour. Democracy has to arise from within, otherwise it fitters away as quickly as it came.

The undeveloped world is naturally behind the developed; democracy is the next step in the cycle for them. I can't know for sure as to what the next step in the cycle for America is after democracy.
 

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I find it hard to believe that in this day and age that the citizenry really wants to practice what Teddy Roosevelt put in practice just a hundred years ago. I think Americans are sick and tired of our Armed Forces going to countries to put out their own fires. Democracy is not something that has to be reiterated to every country that doesn't have it. I am sure the American model has been taught to countries and either nations adopt it or choose not to. Maybe the American plan is the better option and these countries who still have dictators, religious icons, or whoever in charge cannot see past their old fashioned ways. Let countries who want peace fight for it themselves, we do not need to be interfering with their battles, nor should the world.

There are some extreme cases when involvement is necessary, WWII for example. However since then we have wasted untold Trillions in efforts to control the outcome of conflicts and political movements around the world. We just can't afford it any more...
 

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There are some extreme cases when involvement is necessary, WWII for example. However since then we have wasted untold Trillions in efforts to control the outcome of conflicts and political movements around the world. We just can't afford it any more...

true, but that was a time when the world was still trying to find its way and the allowence of the Allies to let Germany reclaim its landings and before we knew it, Hitler had seized power and took advantage. Sure in hindsight I can say this but I still don't think the US should have subscribed to the Roosevelt doctrine. Also to meddle in the affairs of other nations and not look inward is a bit silly.

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There are some extreme cases when involvement is necessary, WWII for example. However since then we have wasted untold Trillions in efforts to control the outcome of conflicts and political movements around the world. We just can't afford it any more...

true, but that was a time when the world was still trying to find its way and the allowence of the Allies to let Germany reclaim its landings and before we knew it, Hitler had seized power and took advantage. Sure in hindsight I can say this but I still don't think the US should have subscribed to the Roosevelt doctrine. Also to meddle in the affairs of other nations and not look inward is a bit silly.

my 0.02

World War 2 is a different example - America was directly attacked by Japan, despite being a non-belligerent (They were far from neutral however).
Undoubtabley FDR wanted to join the war effort, and the attack on Pearl Harbour allowed him to do so. Where as before, a large majority of American's preferred a course of non-hostility.
 

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There are some extreme cases when involvement is necessary, WWII for example. However since then we have wasted untold Trillions in efforts to control the outcome of conflicts and political movements around the world. We just can't afford it any more...
This is a good response, IMO. Just because some countries and people think we SHOULD get involved, doesn't mean we should or even can. We are only one country and cannot save the world. It doesn't mean that we don't care, however. We should be more careful with getting involved with conflicts elsewhere particularly. We're in debt up to our eyeballs for one thing. Putting our military at risk for something that can't be solved is ridiculous. We go into things naively thinking we can change things for the better, when unusually, it makes things worse. :p
 

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World War 2 is a different example - America was directly attacked by Japan, despite being a non-belligerent (They were far from neutral however).
Undoubtabley FDR wanted to join the war effort, and the attack on Pearl Harbour allowed him to do so. Where as before, a large majority of American's preferred a course of non-hostility.
America was feeding The Allied effort with thanks and naval vessels...I do not think FDR wanted war, I think he wanted to get the USA of the muck that was the Great Depression.
 
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