Is our country Imperialistic?

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Silious950

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I want to know everyones view on this before I voice mine. Here is an article from Wikipedia about the information on Imperialism and the thoughts of some socialists and communists:

Lenin, in Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism (1916), argued that capitalism necessarily induced monopoly capitalism - which he also called "imperialism" - in order to find new business and resources, representing the last and highest stage of capitalism.[3] One year later, Lenin went on to become the ruler of a renamed and re-invigorated Russian Empire. This theory of necessary expansion of capitalism outside the boundaries of nation-states - one of the foundations of Leninism as a whole - was also shared by Rosa Luxemburg (in The Accumulation of Capital: A Contribution to an Economic Explanation of Imperialism[4]) and then by liberal philosopher Hannah Arendt.[5] Since then, however, Lenin's theory has been extended by Marxist scholars to be a synonym of capitalistic international trade and banking.[6]
While Karl Marx never published a theory of imperialism, he referred to colonialism in Das Kapital as an aspect of the prehistory of the capitalist mode of production. In various articles he also analyzed British colonial rule in Ireland and India. Lenin defined imperialism as "the highest stage of capitalism" (the subtitle of his outline), the era in which monopoly finance capital becomes dominant, forcing nations and corporations to compete themselves increasingly for control over resources and markets all over the world.
Marxist theories of imperialism, or related theories such as dependency theory, focus on the economic relations between countries (and within countries, as outlined below), rather than the more formal political and/or military relationships. Imperialism thus consists not necessarily in the direct control of one country by another, but in the economic exploitation of one region by another, or of a group by another. This Marxist usage contrasts with a popular conception of 'imperialism', as directly controlled vast colonial or neocolonail empires.



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Now I posted this on Myspace in my blog to get the same reaction, just think about this and how it applies to the US. Here is a response from one of my friends:
First of all Karl Marx was a sociologist who felt that capitalism was the source of all evils in the world such as disease, starvation, poverty, death, etc. So by saying that he was completely accurate and sane in these thoughts, you're basically supporting communism/socialism. Sometimes greats aren't completely sane... for example, Freud (the father of psychology) who made everything up. Second of all, wikipedia isn't a real encyclopedia. Its written by average people. I could post something on there if I wanted to.

What do you think? :confused
 
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I think there is too much paranoia about Communism by people who don't even know what it really means. Red Rosa is a martyr in my books. I'll discuss this happily more later but I'm too pissed to right now.;)
 

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Yeah her comment got me extremely riled up because I said nothing about what I supported at all. Ignorance runs deep and early in America man.. I'm just glad I was raised to have an open mind.
 

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My perspective on your question is this: The United States is not an imperialistic country in that it does not extend it's authority over other nations by going to war for personal expansion purposes. However being that the US is free, democratic, and capitalistic, United States citizens do business where ever they can find a place that will prove profitable.

Capitalism spreads economically, so I can see how that would be viewed as imperialistic. Unfortunately, but realistically, there has always been a 'pecking order'. It is not the pecking order that is wrong. It is the greed and wrong values of man that are involved in that pecking order that cause the injustice. But the world will never be rid of greed. The best we can hope for are enough generous people in the world to make up for the greedy ones.
 

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Wow Grace that is a really good opinion. But don't you think the government has ties into our economy, especially since the 1940's? What about Oil interests in Iraq?
 

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My perspective on your question is this: The United States is not an imperialistic country in that it does not extend it's authority over other nations by going to war for personal expansion purposes. However being that the US is free, democratic, and capitalistic, United States citizens do business where ever they can find a place that will prove profitable.

Capitalism spreads economically, so I can see how that would be viewed as imperialistic. Unfortunately, but realistically, there has always been a 'pecking order'. It is not the pecking order that is wrong. It is the greed and wrong values of man that are involved in that pecking order that cause the injustice. But the world will never be rid of greed. The best we can hope for are enough generous people in the world to make up for the greedy ones.
You don't think it part of the reason why it goes to war is to extend it's economical authority?
And don't you think the US likes to get into othet countries business quite often, but funny enough only when it's economically good? (we can't say the Bush admin cares about Darfur, for example)
 

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But don't you think the government has ties into our economy, especially since the 1940's?
All governments affect their country's economy and hopefully in a way that keeps their employment rate low and people working so that they can feed their families.

What about Oil interests in Iraq?
Of course we have interests in oil. It FUELS the economy. It fuels all business. It is how we all still have jobs. And oil will continue to be of huge interests until we put a fuel alternative into widespread use.

That's just reality.
 

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You don't think it part of the reason why it goes to war is to extend it's economical authority?
And don't you think the US likes to get into othet countries business quite often, but funny enough only when it's economically good? (we can't say the Bush admin cares about Darfur, for example)
I love ya Maria.

I don't share the same political perspectives that you do though.

And no I don't think we 'like' to get into other countries business as you put it.
 

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If we don't like to get into other countries business then why do we impose sanctions on countries that don't do what we tell them?
 

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I love ya Maria.

I don't share the same political perspectives that you do though.

And no I don't think we 'like' to get into other countries business as you put it.
I know Grace, and the world is probably better with us respectfully disagreeing :)

During the cold war (and possibly still today) the US has tried to make sure that for example, the leaders in some countries are friendly with US actions. If you want examples of what I'm talking about: Dictators Supported by the U.S. Government
 

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During the cold war (and possibly still today) the US has tried to make sure that for example, the leaders in some countries are friendly with US actions.
If we don't like to get into other countries business then why do we impose sanctions on countries that don't do what we tell them?
We don't live in a bubble. We are all a part of a global economy that puts us in relationships with other countries. There are conflicts in relationships between countries just like there are conflicts in every type of relationship on the planet.

If world issues were so simple, as much as people act like they have all the answers on the Internet, they'd all be solved by now. I certainly don't have the answers. Honestly I don't think there is a real answer. I think that no matter what is done, there will still be issues/problems/inequities. I don't think this should stop all from trying, but maybe being a little less critical would help.

But make no mistake, if the US wasn't up there in the pecking order of things, another country would be. That is not going to change. So the real question IMO is what countries do we want to be higher up? Countries like Iran? Or countries like the United States? It is always going to be good or bad or the lesser evil. Which is up to each individual to decide for themselves.
 

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Many sites, including the one Maria listed, say that the US is friends with some of these countries because we bought natural resourcea from them and in doing so supported them. If they are going to tie it like that then I'm a supporter of terror also because I drive a car that uses oil. Things are not that simple and one dimensional.
 

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I'm probably talking a load of shit right now and please excuse me if I am. I've also made it my goal to not have fallings out with Grace because I like her as a person. Now thats over with...

I am very critical about the US involvement of Iraq, the same as I'm very critical of my own countries involvement in Iraq especially as Britain looses out more as we're the ones who end up housing the refugees fleeing from their country because of it, not as much a dent to America. However I get sick of arrogant American attitude which thinks it is the dictator of the world and every country should bow down and thank it! The majority of the world sees USA as interfering arseholes and the sooner the USA gets more tact and realises this the better.
 

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Well why do you think we do this Peter? If I remember my history correctly we used to be a isolated country, until WW1. I think that ever since then we have felt the need to never let something like that happen again.

But I agree with the fact we are over-stepping our boundaries as the "Big Brother" of the world.
 

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My perspective on your question is this: The United States is not an imperialistic country in that it does not extend it's authority over other nations by going to war for personal expansion purposes. However being that the US is free, democratic, and capitalistic, United States citizens do business where ever they can find a place that will prove profitable.

Capitalism spreads economically, so I can see how that would be viewed as imperialistic. Unfortunately, but realistically, there has always been a 'pecking order'. It is not the pecking order that is wrong. It is the greed and wrong values of man that are involved in that pecking order that cause the injustice. But the world will never be rid of greed. The best we can hope for are enough generous people in the world to make up for the greedy ones.


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Yes, our country has imperialistic tendencies. And it's a good thing. A country that didnt look after it's own interests would've been gone a long time ago.
 

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Yes, our country has imperialistic tendencies. And it's a good thing. A country that didnt look after it's own interests would've been gone a long time ago.
No all the time. Look at what we did to the Native Americans. Thats just one example.
 
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