Is murder justified?

[FreeWorkVest]

Oh, how so?

 

[gLing]

I'm 4'10" and 85 lbs. If a 200 lbs. man breaks into my home and corners me in a room with intent to do harm how do you propose I am going to run away, scare him off, fight him off or have the time to formulate an elaborate McGuyver plan that stops him?
If I have a gun handy he will be shot until he is no longer twitching.

 

[debbie t]

killing someone in self defence is not the same as murder

its like chalk and cheese

 

[Numnum]

anything can be justified in someone's mind.. doesn't necessarily make it right tho. again, it depends who's side you hear.

 

[COOL_BREEZE2]

I'm 4'10" and 85 lbs. If a 200 lbs. man breaks into my home and corners me in a room with intent to do harm how do you propose I am going to run away, scare him off, fight him off or have the time to formulate an elaborate McGuyver plan that stops him?
If I have a gun handy he will be shot until he is no longer twitching.

Not getting through gLing. Makes too much sense.

 

[TheOriginalJames]

To me, killing another person is always wrong. You can always run away, fight off scare, do SOMETHING to stop a person. Killing is never right. Again, IMO.

I ask myself this, if someone attacks you to steal your wallet/purse, is the death penalty justified?

A. No, there is not always an opportunity for escape. Deadly force is on occassion necessary and excusable.

B. This isn't about the death penalty, that has already been discussed.

 

[FreeWorkVest]

All excellent reasons for you to kill someone. I however, will not. I will find a way to avoid killing the person.

 

[COOL_BREEZE2]

All excellent reasons for you to kill someone. I however, will not. I will find a way to avoid killing the person.

===:ninja
All the best with that when faced with a desperate robber, burglar or whacked out person with bad intentions that believe in dead people tell no tales.

 

[FreeWorkVest]

===:ninja
All the best with that when faced with a desperate robber, burglar or whacked out person with bad intentions that believe in dead people tell no tales.

I don't believe that will happen, but if it does, I will die knowing I lived my life with a clear conscience.

It sounds trite, I know, but I believe that as a Christian, I cannot preach, nor live, behaviors antithetical to my beliefs.

 

[TheOriginalJames]

I don't believe that will happen, but if it does, I will die knowing I lived my life with a clear conscience.

It sounds trite, I know, but I believe that as a Christian, I cannot preach, nor live, behaviors antithetical to my beliefs.

.... you'd rather die than defend yourself by any means necessary. You have more regard for anothers' life over yours, even though they don't feel the same regard towards you.

This makes absolutely no sense to me.

 

[FreeWorkVest]

.... you'd rather die than defend yourself by any means necessary. You have more regard for anothers' life over yours, even though they don't feel the same regard towards you.

This makes absolutely no sense to me.

I can totally understand you would feel that way. It seems stupid, but if everyone lived thier lives the way Christ did, well, none of this would be a problem

 

[COOL_BREEZE2]

I don't believe that will happen, but if it does, I will die knowing I lived my life with a clear conscience.

It sounds trite, I know, but I believe that as a Christian, I cannot preach, nor live, behaviors antithetical to my beliefs.

Well kudos to you my friend. But if I am minding my own business going about my merry way, altho I would not like to kill or harm anyone myself, and someone or ones come about and want to endanger my well being or life or that of my family, without being a mind reader myself...and knowing how desperate such attackers can be....you better believe if I have the opportunity to preserve my life or that of my family's over that of the attacker's I will do so.

Of course if I am blessed with the gift of mind reading and I know beyond an absolute doubt that the attacker would not harm me or my loved ones I may have a change of heart...May. But then these are desperate times with druggies who couldn't care less about your life for the sake of a fix or otherwise and many are armed with guns and knives to harm you at the slightest inconvenience.

 

[FreeWorkVest]

I lived for two years in a very bad part of St. Louis. The neighborhood was rife with gangs, drugs, etc.
I was never assaulted nor stabbed. Every time my house was broken into, they made certain I wasnt home, and the time I was mugged was in an upscale community.

I don't expect others to believe nor live as I do. I just say what I believe. If doing it sits well in your conscience, then you are doing the right thing

 

[TheOriginalJames]

I can totally understand you would feel that way. It seems stupid, but if everyone lived thier lives the way Christ did, well, none of this would be a problem

I'm sorry, I respect your beliefs, however you are not God or Jesus.

You're a human being.

 

[All Else Failed]

Correction, I am Christ.

 

[TheOriginalJames]

No, you aren't. Thanks for playing though.

 

[All Else Failed]

lol why do you take me seriously on posts like those?

 

[charLIE2291]

I lived for two years in a very bad part of St. Louis. The neighborhood was rife with gangs, drugs, etc.
I was never assaulted nor stabbed. Every time my house was broken into, they made certain I wasnt home, and the time I was mugged was in an upscale community.

I don't expect others to believe nor live as I do. I just say what I believe. If doing it sits well in your conscience, then you are doing the right thing

That was awfully nice of the robbers.

Certain circumstances call for lethal force man. Its sad but thats the world that we live in today. Sometimes its kill or be killed...as bad as that sounds...

 

[FreeWorkVest]

I'm sorry, I respect your beliefs, however you are not God or Jesus.

You're a human being.

Bible commands us to "live as Christ lived"

Jesus gave Christians advise on how to live life like him with the sermon on the mount (The bettitudes)

I try to live my life that way. I don't tell others to live nor believe the way I do, I choose to live this way as a reflection of MY faith.

 

[TheOriginalJames]

Bible commands us to "live as Christ lived"

Jesus gave Christians advise on how to live life like him with the sermon on the mount (The bettitudes)

I try to live my life that way. I don't tell others to live nor believe the way I do, I choose to live this way as a reflection of MY faith.

Wait... how many times did Jesus get shanked in the back by someone trying to steal his rupees? :smiley24: