No misconceptions here I've known a few guys in there and even they say it's not as bad as it should be.
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No misconceptions here I've known a few guys in there and even they say it's not as bad as it should be.
Well having been there twice, I can tell you that it is far worse than you seem to think and no, we had no cable tv, didn't even have a tv, window behind the bars or a toilet the first one I was in, not to mention a rat problem.
Well you weren't in an American prison where inmates have it good. Lots better than some people on the outside that I know.
cable tv or not the prospect of being fucked up the arse helps me pay my taxes on time
seriously i am not convinced that depriving inmates of things like this will make em think twice
if they are bad to the bone they remain bad to the bone until they learn other skills i.e. until they are rehabilitated to play by the rules
if you make life hard for them in jail, when they get out they may just try hard not to get caught but they may still break the law, just my thoughts, never having been near a jail
seriously i am not convinced that depriving inmates of things like this will make em think twice
if they are bad to the bone they remain bad to the bone until they learn other skills i.e. until they are rehabilitated to play by the rules
if you make life hard for them in jail, when they get out they may just try hard not to get caught but they may still break the law, just my thoughts, never having been near a jail
People seem to forget that the more inhumane you make prison, the more prisoners kick off. In UK jails you have a portable telly with the 4 or 5 basic channels which you rent so they pay for themself. If you mis behave or refuse work, you have it taken off you. Sounds a lot better to me than wasting hundreds of thousands of pounds repairing prisons after a riot, not to mention the physical damage that prison officers risk sorting them out. The punishment is being stuck in a cell for years denied your freedom and living with your loved ones, dont see why that's not enough and if you disagree, you really have no idea whatsoever just how hard that is.
So Peter... What do you think prisons should be like? I'm very curious as to your opinion.
I think the're pretty much ok as they are except there should be more rehabilitation and a gradual re introduction into society and help finding work rather than just bunging them out on the street with the only support being a probation officer they see once a week who dosent give a fuck. Oh, and mandatory drug testing once a week for all prisoners with harsh penalties for those who test positive.
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A lot of people who are in prison here go to halfway houses or rehab after they get out. Things are a lot different here than they are there. You have to take into account that the US probably has the best jails/prisons around the world. Have you ever watched Locked up Abroad or Locked up? Compared to what I have seen on those reality shows the US is way too slack on what it's like to be incarcerated.
I have seen those programs and to be honest, US prisons seem worse than over here but in different ways. The gang/race wars in US prisons is terrible and makes it hard to just get your head down and do your time without getting involved, no to mention the implications of how it affects your life when you get out or the risk if you try and leave. Thats the biggest problem that needs tackling in US prisons so why people want to go on about taking their tellies away is just picking at nothing and avoiding the real problem imo.
Well Peter there have been times that I couldn't afford cable and/or a descent meal and going to jail where you get both actually sounded like a good deal imo. If you can't do the time then don't do the crime...
American prisons are different I'm assuming.
Here inmates have to pay for necessities. Guess who pays for all the joys like a pretty decent meal and their tv? Or how about their equipment to work out on? Not the inmate! Taxpayers. IMHO there needs to be come farms set up with no escape for people to do some hard labor for those who haven't done such serious crimes and ones for murder and rape...etc very serious crimes should be left in a cell meals delivered. If he/she does something so serious they don't deserve to have outside contact. It's called punishment for a reason.
Heck we have people who will purposely do something to get themselves thrown into prison or jail because they don't want to be out on their own and have to attempt to lead a somewhat normal life.
Heck we have people who will purposely do something to get themselves thrown into prison or jail because they don't want to be out on their own and have to attempt to lead a somewhat normal life.
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:nod: Yep we sure do have people like that. Jails/prisons here are just too comfy.
Well I'd trade cable tv and a decent meal for my freedom and being with my family every time, but that's just me.
In the UK, you have to work full time or go on an education course if your education standard is that poor (you get tested for that on induction) in prison for about 10 pence an hour or you get your tv taken away and stuck in solitary. If that isn't the case in the US, I agree it's something which needs sorting out.
There are always going to be people worse off on the out than in prison but thats the problem with the care they recieve on the outside and what they do to themselves in the way of drugs ect imo than a reflection on prisons being too soft.
See but our correctional system is so slack that some people will trade their freedom for cable tv and a descent 3 squares. If our jails were more of a deterrent then maybe the inmate populations wouldn't be so high. Maybe people would learn their lesson and not commit further crimes. But no it's not like that here.
People are more likely to learn there lesson by being given help. Locking someone in a room for years does nothing to help them change, isn't designed to, is all about revenge and just breeds resentment. The first time I came out I was bitter about society if thats what they thought of me and had a fuck it, I'll fight them attitude. Its pure luck I didn't go straight back to jail. The high number of 1st time prisoners who are returned to jail within a year or two of release if just proof that the system is failing.
Here's a thought. Why not give the option of young first time offenders a choice to go in the Military instead of jail? Hell that could be a thread in itself!
Sounds good to me and if they misbehave they are in the glasshouse which is 10 times worse than normal jail!:thumbup
Woohoo, the prison debate again.
I too think that this idea that prison is a fun house is rediculous, It's prison. Inmates are stripped of their freedom and isolated from their family and friends. I've seen families who have to go through losing a member to the prison system, and it's hard. I'm in no way vindicating the crimes of prisoners, I'm just saying it's foolish to think prison is fun and games.
Also, I'm willing to bet that the conditions of jails and prisons in the US vary greatly. My county's prison is old, overcrowded, and doesn't have fancy facilities. The county jail is worse and is practically falling apart, and the county is jumping through hoops trying to build a new facility.
I too think that this idea that prison is a fun house is rediculous, It's prison. Inmates are stripped of their freedom and isolated from their family and friends. I've seen families who have to go through losing a member to the prison system, and it's hard. I'm in no way vindicating the crimes of prisoners, I'm just saying it's foolish to think prison is fun and games.
Also, I'm willing to bet that the conditions of jails and prisons in the US vary greatly. My county's prison is old, overcrowded, and doesn't have fancy facilities. The county jail is worse and is practically falling apart, and the county is jumping through hoops trying to build a new facility.
Prison is big business. That's why the US has the most prisoners in the world. Someone is making a lot of money from it.