Here's the thing... criminals are going to find a way to acquire guns regardless of restrictions. All the restrictions do is prevent people from being able to buy a gun legally. How many criminal organizations go to their local Wal-Mart or gun store to buy weapons? I'm willing to bet almost none... at least not ones with any brains whatsoever. They get their guns from other criminal organizations... most of which are smuggled in from Mexico. Hmm, which brings us back to the whole immigration and border enforcement issue.
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Here's the thing... criminals are going to find a way to acquire guns regardless of restrictions. All the restrictions do is prevent people from being able to buy a gun legally. How many criminal organizations go to their local Wal-Mart or gun store to buy weapons? I'm willing to bet almost none... at least not ones with any brains whatsoever. They get their guns from other criminal organizations... most of which are smuggled in from Mexico. Hmm, which brings us back to the whole immigration and border enforcement issue.
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This argument is so old..
Ciminal organizations will always use guns.. Yup.. :24:
Sorry but if not guns, Knifes or in the case of 9/11 box cutters, they will get you somehow.. :willy_nilly:
Problem with that argument is that when was the last time you walked around with an AK47 or even used a Magnum in public or night time like organized crime does ? Someone who does this professionally will take you out way before you can even pull the gun out of your pants..
Also the biggest problem is not in organized crime as they will get you but rather accidental shooting and kids blowing each other off by mistake as well as spousal abuse and so on..
- In 1999, 3,385 children and youth ages 0-19 years were killed with a gun. This includes homicides, suicides, and unintentional injuries.
- This is equivalent to about 9 deaths per day, a figure commonly used by journalists.
- The 3,385 firearms-related deaths for age group 0-19 years breaks down to
Peter Parka
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Dont want to distract away from the original point of this thread and besides, I've provided evidence time and again which proves a country with tighter gun laws drastically decreases the chance of innocent people being shot. People who love guns though, just conveniently ignore it. Retro does point out though how the reason the laws about guns dont change because of the NRA playing in politics and has fuck all to do with peoples safety which sounds pretty corrupt to me.
Back to the point, anyway and I agree with retro that there are more pressing things with immigration to worry about.:thumbup
Back to the point, anyway and I agree with retro that there are more pressing things with immigration to worry about.:thumbup
Sorry Ed, back on track now.. Thanks for understanding and accepting the extra Tokenz Chap.. :thumbup
Back to Ed's topic..
Would this not open a whole big can of worms in many aspects..
I can think of many ways this could be interpreted..
A birth happens in mid flight, which my air standard, states the first place a plane lands is the birth country of the child ?
If you block that right and revert it to the origine of the flight, would you not take away the potential of many American kids born mid flight to be US citizen.. Even taking away the right of ONE is not OK ?
Would this not open a whole big can of worms in many aspects..
I can think of many ways this could be interpreted..
A birth happens in mid flight, which my air standard, states the first place a plane lands is the birth country of the child ?
If you block that right and revert it to the origine of the flight, would you not take away the potential of many American kids born mid flight to be US citizen.. Even taking away the right of ONE is not OK ?
Alien Allen
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Came across this today. It is a 4 year old report by the Heritage Foundation
Yes that dreaded conservative think tank
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Yes that dreaded conservative think tank
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Re...-to-Consent-Rethinking-Birthright-Citizenship
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I've a friend, an English girl, who was born whilst her parents were on holiday in the US. They claimed citizenship and whilst the parents have never lived in the US, she is now over there as an events manager for a large hotel chain.
Would a change in the law prevent that kind of thing too? Most countries, as far as I'm aware, give automatic citizenship to someone born on their land, irrelevant of the parents status.
Would a change in the law prevent that kind of thing too? Most countries, as far as I'm aware, give automatic citizenship to someone born on their land, irrelevant of the parents status.
i think, i may be wrong but i think in canada the parents need legal status
i have heard of heavily pregnant tourists being refused entry
i have heard of heavily pregnant tourists being refused entry
Define heavily pregnant ?
a vietnamese national with a green card for the us - seven months pregnant crossing at buffalo
All the Travel Rules for Airlines are listed on this one page.. Very simple to look at..
Most require only a Certificate stating fitness if in the last 4 weeks for North American Airlines..
http://airtravel.about.com/od/travelindustrynews/tp/pregnant2.htm
Porter this includes Air Canada..
Most require only a Certificate stating fitness if in the last 4 weeks for North American Airlines..
http://airtravel.about.com/od/travelindustrynews/tp/pregnant2.htm
Porter this includes Air Canada..
nothing to do with airlines, this was a land crossing
I looked it up but found nothing.. Any links that would substantiate it ?
It could well have been to do with not having a Visa ( getting a green card is irrelevant to being a citizen ) then being pregnant..
My ex was British and used to have to get Visa's to go to the US even if she was a Canadian Landed immigrant with status..
Hey, if I was in Buffalo, I'd want to get out too! :24:
no links, heresay from a buddy who is a retired CBSA (Canada Border Services Agency) Customs officer, you may be right about the
lack of visa
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No shit.
Why change the whole constitution for a few illegal aliens?? There's no reason for the adults to remain in the country regardless of the child's status.
Here is the problem that nobody seems to address in this debate.
If a child is born here in the states to illegal immigrants and is not considered a citizen. Then what happens to that child when it goes back to it's parents country of origin? Whether it be through deportation or if the parents just decide to go back home. The child will not be a citizen of the parents home country and it won't be a citizen of the US, so what happens to the child?
Those that want to amend the 14th amendment to not include citizenship for children born here to illegals don't realize that when they send the parents and child back to that country they will not recognize that child as a citizen... So what happens to that child?
If a child is born here in the states to illegal immigrants and is not considered a citizen. Then what happens to that child when it goes back to it's parents country of origin? Whether it be through deportation or if the parents just decide to go back home. The child will not be a citizen of the parents home country and it won't be a citizen of the US, so what happens to the child?
Those that want to amend the 14th amendment to not include citizenship for children born here to illegals don't realize that when they send the parents and child back to that country they will not recognize that child as a citizen... So what happens to that child?
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