if god is real, he is not all that he is chalked up to be

[lemon]

if god is real, then he created the angels ( since he created everything right ) , which included the angel lucifer.

and if lucifer had the capacity to think that he could be just like god, or better, that is indicative of jealousy. in fact, it is jealousy. but god gave him the ability, which means god created jealousy, which, if god is perfect, jealousy is too...

on top of that, god allowed lucifer to think such thoughts. and since god knows everything, he had a master plan. to create evil as to show his future creations that he is good. so then, since lucifer tried to overthrow god, god said no. and cast lucifer and his followers from the heavens.

where did they go? for god had not created hell yet. ( which shows another capacity of god to create something vile )... nor had he created earth ( and maybe the universe for that matter ) ...

so now, lucifer is the bad one.

now god creates adam and eve, saying they should not eat of the tree of good and evil. which, by the way, god created, showing capacity to think in the good and evil mindsets ( showing he is not perfectly good ) ... but what was good and what was evil? god needed a scapegoat. which he had already made of lucifer ( now the devil - which, quite interestingly, has the word " evil " in the name ... ) ....

so, if god created the capacity for evil, and god is good, then evil must be good, and so must jealousy.

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needs further review and possibly editing, but i have some things to do at home, so ill be doing possible revisions later...

 

[OUZBnd]

RE: if god is real, he is not all that he is chalked up to b

thats some very distorted logic. If God exsists, then he created us to make decisions on our own. He is there to guide us to which hopefully is the correct decision in "Gods" eyes.

 

[insanityOfReality]

RE: if god is real, he is not all that he is chalked up to b

its not flawed, its just a play using logic

 

[TheOriginalJames]

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Lucifer was the angle of worship in heaven. When he rebelled God cast him down to earth aka the imperfect place.

God gave humans and angels the ability to choose. He wanted deciples (sp?), not slaves to him.

Jealousy is not perfect. Jealousy is a choice that is made in place of acceptance.

 

[UncleBacon]

RE: if god is real, he is not all that he is chalked up to b

its days like this I'm glad I'm agnostic

 

[Death by Masturbation]

Re: if god is real, he is not all that he is chalked up to b

if god is real, then he created the angels ( since he created everything right ) , which included the angel lucifer.

and if lucifer had the capacity to think that he could be just like god, or better, that is indicative of jealousy. in fact, it is jealousy. but god gave him the ability, which means god created jealousy, which, if god is perfect, jealousy is too...

on top of that, god allowed lucifer to think such thoughts. and since god knows everything, he had a master plan. to create evil as to show his future creations that he is good. so then, since lucifer tried to overthrow god, god said no. and cast lucifer and his followers from the heavens.

where did they go? for god had not created hell yet. ( which shows another capacity of god to create something vile )... nor had he created earth ( and maybe the universe for that matter ) ...

so now, lucifer is the bad one.

now god creates adam and eve, saying they should not eat of the tree of good and evil. which, by the way, god created, showing capacity to think in the good and evil mindsets ( showing he is not perfectly good ) ... but what was good and what was evil? god needed a scapegoat. which he had already made of lucifer ( now the devil - which, quite interestingly, has the word " evil " in the name ... ) ....

so, if god created the capacity for evil, and god is good, then evil must be good, and so must jealousy.

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needs further review and possibly editing, but i have some things to do at home, so ill be doing possible revisions later...

all this is based on upon the assumption that perfect means good, which it doesn't .

Therefore, this is about as logical as sticking your penis in the electrical socket because you want to warm up.

 

[TheOriginalJames]

RE: if god is real, he is not all that he is chalked up to b

Perfect means perfect, as in unflawed.


Unlike your logic.

 

[Mrs Behavin]

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its days like this I'm glad I'm agnostic

If you dont mind me asking, what exactly is agnostic?

 

[UncleBacon]

RE: if god is real, he is not all that he is chalked up to b

I believe there could be something but I want some proof....welll thats it in a nut shell

 

[lemon]

Re: RE: if god is real, he is not all that he is chalked up

its days like this I'm glad I'm agnostic

If you dont mind me asking, what exactly is agnostic?

seeing to believe ( or sensing really ) - like the wind - you cant see it, but you can feel it, you can see the effect it has on leaves and such, so it has to be there..

 

[lemon]

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thats some very distorted logic. If God exsists, then he created us to make decisions on our own. He is there to guide us to which hopefully is the correct decision in "Gods" eyes.

it is not distorted at all. it just isnt complete, because i had to get some sleep last night. and if one believes that god gave us two options - believe in him and have eternal life or dont believe in him and have eternal damnation ... thats not giving us a choice. thats giving us a threat - with fear as a motivator.

 

[lemon]

Re: RE: if god is real, he is not all that he is chalked up

Lucifer was the angle of worship in heaven. When he rebelled God cast him down to earth aka the imperfect place.

ok, why did he rebel? god created the angels, no? with that, he created the ability to rebel, which indicates that he knew something was going to happen. which means, it was all thought out ( since god knows everything ) ... so why did he allow it to happen?

God gave humans and angels the ability to choose. He wanted deciples (sp?), not slaves to him.

god created us for his pleasure. its written somewhere in the bible. he really doesnt care about us. he cares about himself. he wants us to please him. slaves.

Jealousy is not perfect. Jealousy is a choice that is made in place of acceptance.

if god created the possiblity, and god is perfect, then the created possiblity is also perfect, because if it werent, then god could not be a perfect god, no?

 

[lemon]

Re: if god is real, he is not all that he is chalked up to b

if god is real, then he created the angels ( since he created everything right ) , which included the angel lucifer.

and if lucifer had the capacity to think that he could be just like god, or better, that is indicative of jealousy. in fact, it is jealousy. but god gave him the ability, which means god created jealousy, which, if god is perfect, jealousy is too...

on top of that, god allowed lucifer to think such thoughts. and since god knows everything, he had a master plan. to create evil as to show his future creations that he is good. so then, since lucifer tried to overthrow god, god said no. and cast lucifer and his followers from the heavens.

where did they go? for god had not created hell yet. ( which shows another capacity of god to create something vile )... nor had he created earth ( and maybe the universe for that matter ) ...

so now, lucifer is the bad one.

now god creates adam and eve, saying they should not eat of the tree of good and evil. which, by the way, god created, showing capacity to think in the good and evil mindsets ( showing he is not perfectly good ) ... but what was good and what was evil? god needed a scapegoat. which he had already made of lucifer ( now the devil - which, quite interestingly, has the word " evil " in the name ... ) ....

so, if god created the capacity for evil, and god is good, then evil must be good, and so must jealousy.

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needs further review and possibly editing, but i have some things to do at home, so ill be doing possible revisions later...

all this is based on upon the assumption that perfect means good, which it doesn't .

sin is bad,no? which bad roughly translates to evil... and since god cannot stand sin, then he must be on the good side, which means he cannot do anything wrong. which means being perfect is being good. then writings that you quoted of me now make sense, no? or is it still too assuming?

 

[sharpies]

RE: if god is real, he is not all that he is chalked up to b

if im arguing with you... assume im not intelligent...

Hey Lemon, I'll just assume you're not intelligent.






Allan

 

[lemon]

Re: RE: if god is real, he is not all that he is chalked up

if im arguing with you... assume im not intelligent...

Hey Lemon, I'll just assume you're not intelligent.






Allan

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rock :rock

 

[sharpies]

RE: if god is real, he is not all that he is chalked up to b

Luv ya lemon.


:fu

Allan

 

[OUZBnd]

RE: if god is real, he is not all that he is chalked up to b

lemon, it appears that you are merely looking for a way to justify your evilness or jealousy?

The bottom line is, if there is a God, and he created us, then he has ultimate control over us. Thus If he wanted us as slaves, ALL of us would be his slaves and worship him. Conversly,(which is apparently the way it is if you believe in God) he has given us the freedom to think, act, and make choices on our own in hopes that we will ultimately find the way to God ourselves.

 

[lemon]

RE: if god is real, he is not all that he is chalked up to b

i am not trying to justify my jealousy or my evil doings. dont need to

my primary goal of this thread is to post questions and logical sequences - even if only i can understand them in my apparently twisted sense of logic - in the hopes of getting intelligent responses in order to further my understanding of why people believe in what they believe in.

my idea is to present a situation, or ( to me ) pseudo-proof that god ( the entity of the christian faith - in the protestant view that i was brought up in, but decided to leave ) cannot exist given the information that is written down in [his] holy book. but a debate cannot be with only one person. it has to be between at least one person and a wall, but it is more interesting when between at least two persons.

my secondary goal is to achieve the primary goal, without bothering too many people. people who can snap their fingers and ill be having a front row seat in some alley dumpster people. wned

 

[Blackwater_GT]

RE: if god is real, he is not all that he is chalked up to b

Humankind (Men and Women) will always question the Validity of God.
The balancing of Good and Evil would be perfection, Thats just my opinion.
What do we really know about God?

 

[lemon]

Re: RE: if god is real, he is not all that he is chalked up

Humankind (Men and Women) will always question the Validity of God.
The balancing of Good and Evil would be perfection, Thats just my opinion.
What do we really know about God?

only what other men and women tell us... :tard