If Atheists Ruled The World

[itsmeJonB]

Atheism*

I respect peoples beliefs, its when my own belief gets attacked with non fact that I get defensive. And atheists cannot be grouped together as a whole because we don't have a handbook telling its sheep what to believe in, we use our own discretion, and that is fact

 

[Panacea]

Don't forget the Nazis, Pol Pot and a few other atheist governments. And atheists claim they are all about peace....pffft if that was ever the case..........:24:

Adolph Hitler was a Christian, how was his government atheist?

 

[Tuffdisc]

Adolph Hitler was a Christian, how was his government atheist?

http://www.answers.org/apologetics/hitquote.html
I think you have to read this

 

[Panacea]

http://www.answers.org/apologetics/hitquote.html
I think you have to read this

I am suspicious of quote mining in this article; your source is an evangelical Christian apologetics website. In all of my research on Hitler, I have not found enough evidence to claim he was an atheist, or even much less than a Christian. He was a psychopath above all, of course, unrelated to faith or lack thereof.There is a difference between being an atheist and being critical of Christianity. In their proper context I'm sure these quotes reflect more of the latter than the former.

Regardless, your claim that the Nazis were an atheist government is still a false one. I suspect you are referring to their hateful twisting and misinterpretation of Darwin's natural selection, which doesn't make them atheists, as plenty of people of faith believe in evolution (without the twisting).

 

[Tuffdisc]

Adolph Hitler was a Christian, how was his government atheist?

OK, he was baptised a Christian, but was sceptical. Plus his mother was Catholic, but doesn't mean he was a practising Christian

 

[Panacea]

OK, he was baptised a Christian, but was sceptical. Plus his mother was Catholic, but doesn't mean he was a practising Christian

He may not have been a practicing Christian (I think he was too busy being fucking nuts to do much else lol) but it doesn't make him or his sick movement one of atheism.

 

[Tuffdisc]

I am suspicious of quote mining in this article; your source is an evangelical Christian apologetics website. In all of my research on Hitler, I have not found enough evidence to claim he was an atheist, or even much less than a Christian. He was a psychopath above all, of course, unrelated to faith or lack thereof.There is a difference between being an atheist and being critical of Christianity. In their proper context I'm sure these quotes reflect more of the latter than the former.

Regardless, your claim that the Nazis were an atheist government is still a false one. I suspect you are referring to their hateful twisting and misinterpretation of Darwin's natural selection, which doesn't make them atheists, as plenty of people of faith believe in evolution (without the twisting).

1. No one in Germany has in the past been persecuted because of his religious views, nor will anyone in the future be so persecuted..."

This is a quote from one of Hitler's speech, no do you think that he is telling the truth when the Nuremberg law was passed which persecuted the Jews, some years back

Do you believe that Christians were not persecuted for going against Hitler? Plus he wanted Christianity to die a natural death, tell me if that is a person who believes in Christianity? I wouldn't say things like that.

Yes, there were people in the Church that were fighting Hitler's cause, that is because some people's faith is weak, now I can't judge people who were weak in faith as my beliefs tells me not to do so, but in all honesty, do you believe that Hitler didn't like religion of any sorts, because Christianity is based on Judaism

 

[BornReady]

As I wrote in an earlier post, I doubt Hitler believed in God. He was insane. He probably thought he was God. But the point is Hitler used religion to manipulate Germans as this translation from Mein Kampf shows.

Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.

Hitler played on the antisemitism felt by German Christians. Martin Luther, father of the Christian reformation, was guilty of fueling this German antisemitism centuries earlier as this excerpt from the wiki shows.

In 1543 Luther published On the Jews and Their Lies in which he says that the Jews are a "base, whoring people, that is, no people of God, and their boast of lineage, circumcision, and law must be accounted as filth." They are full of the "devil's feces ... which they wallow in like swine." The synagogue was a "defiled bride, yes, an incorrigible whore and an evil slut ..." He argues that their synagogues and schools be set on fire, their prayer books destroyed, rabbis forbidden to preach, homes razed, and property and money confiscated. They should be shown no mercy or kindness, afforded no legal protection, and these "poisonous envenomed worms" should be drafted into forced labor or expelled for all time. He also seems to advocate their murder, writing "[w]e are at fault in not slaying them."

 

[sexysadie]

Sadie, whether or not it is right to use religion as an excuse for murder and war isn't relevant - the fact is that people do it all the time, from many different religions and cultures including our own. People are only too quick to use their beliefs to justify hating and harming others. It isn't right, and it isn't what religion was intended for , but it still happens.

You can't deny the fact that people do it - your own example of Osama Bin Laden is a good one. He used his religion and turned it into a tool for hatred against the west. Now okay, he's still a bad person. But the fact that he had a fervent belief system that was shared by others allowed him to manipulate and convince other people that they were doing the right thing by hurting others - because their religion supposedly commanded it, or they interpreted it that way.

If he hadn't had any religion to fall back on, he would still have been a bad person, but he wouldn't have been able to convince so many other people that he was right. His power came from their shared belief that anything commanded by their holy texts must be above reproach.

That is why religion can be so much more harmful than atheism.

'used' being the operative word here.

 

[sexysadie]

While it is often said that Hitler was a Christian, the Nuremberg documents clearly reveal the heart of this ruthless man who believed in social darwinism and had devised plans to completely eliminate Christianity after the Third Reich was firmly established. He wanted onlyto use religion to subvert it for his own political purposes.

 

[HK]

'used' being the operative word here.

What's your point? That he's dead now? That doesn't mean everyone's going to suddenly come to their senses and say 'oh right, all that war against the west we've been backing, that's just crazy!' There are thousands of people who feel exactly the same as him in his country and others like it.

Whether he's dead or alive, the point is that he'd never have gotten as far as he did if it weren't for the fact that his religion could be interpreted to allow him to do some of the things he did. He could never have gotten to that point if he lived in an atheist society.

 

[Zorak]

Really makes no sense at all, if you don't want to define, how can you say or judge a person to be Christian?

People have always gone with where ever the wind is blowing, and not necessarily held to the true meaning. Claiming that religious groups are always to blame for all wars, though I don't think you have, it is Zorak and EdGray that have claimed that, with a few others on this site

Anyway, I don't want to spend hours upon hours arguing on religion and atheist-ism anymore, some atheists respect people's belief than others

Whoa. whoa.

I said what when? Care to prove that to me/?

 

[Tuffdisc]

Whoa. whoa.

I said what when? Care to prove that to me/?

It was a long time ago, no point in denying it, most atheists are alike :thumbup

 

[freakofnature]

For example..???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades

 

[Niamh]

It was a long time ago, no point in denying it, most atheists are alike :thumbup

In what way are most atheists alike exactly?

 

[Tuffdisc]

In what way are most atheists alike exactly?

They claim that religion causes wars, and that the Bible is homophobic and they claim to have 'studied' the Bible and other scriptures

 

[Niamh]

They claim that religion causes wars, and that the Bible is homophobic and they claim to have 'studied' the Bible and other scriptures

Well, I would consider myself to be atheist but have never claimed to have studied the bible or scriptures. And, it is a fact that wars have been started in the name of religion.

 

[Tuffdisc]

Well, I would consider myself to be atheist but have never claimed to have studied the bible or scriptures. And, it is a fact that wars have been started in the name of religion.

Sorry, I meant all wars were caused by religion

 

[sexysadie]

What's your point? That he's dead now? That doesn't mean everyone's going to suddenly come to their senses and say 'oh right, all that war against the west we've been backing, that's just crazy!' There are thousands of people who feel exactly the same as him in his country and others like it.

Whether he's dead or alive, the point is that he'd never have gotten as far as he did if it weren't for the fact that his religion could be interpreted to allow him to do some of the things he did. He could never have gotten to that point if he lived in an atheist society.

Interpreted, yes. Anything can be INTERPRETED as a stamp of approval for murder, as long as the mind behind it is that of a sadistic terrorist......and... I'm sure a lot of people who share the same religion would disagree with that interpretation.

 

[Zorak]

It was a long time ago, no point in denying it, most atheists are alike :thumbup

Well you're free to try and prove it. Good luck Tuffy.