I KNOW God Exists!!!!

[doombug]

What do you think I believe? What would you like to question? I am non-commital in my spiritual leanings (not approaching the level of belief) and I've heard absolutely no questions from you regarding my beliefs. The majority of your efforts have been to counter the Bible critiques voiced in this and other thread with your defense of the Bible. To simplify things for you, voicing a critique is different than voicing a belief... For someone who is not defending the Bible, you are spending most of your efforts in defense of Bible teachings.

And your assumption is that I don't like your questions. What makes you think that? Do you actually think everyone who questions you is angry?

Oh come now Minor Axis. I have shown how the question of "who created God" is a fallacy and where were you during that discussion? You seem to jump into the middle of things accusing me of being a bona fide Christian.

 

[BornReady]

You seem to jump into the middle of things accusing me of being a bona fide Christian.

You say that as if being a Christian is bad. I would agree fundamentalism is bad. But fundamentalism is a minority sect of Christianity. They only seem large because they make a lot of noise.

 

[BornReady]

For me, I like to look at anthropology and sociology when thinking of gods...there is no unanimous decision, so why do humans look for god? Why has god taken the shape it has? There is so much to think about and mull over, but it will always be a personal thing. No forum squabble is going to settle the origin and meaning of life. It just isn't.

Well said. :thumbup

It's interesting that wherever anthropologists go they find god belief. It's obviously something that is very deep and meaningful to many people. It's also interesting there have been atheists for a long time, way before Charles Darwin. I think the best policy is to embrace the difference. Diversity is good.

 

[doombug]

You say that as if being a Christian is bad. I would agree fundamentalism is bad. But fundamentalism is a minority sect of Christianity. They only seem large because they make a lot of noise.

Being a Christian or Atheist isn't bad in my opinion. Being falsely accused of something is bad.

 

[Minor Axis]

Close minded people say I know God exists or I know no gods exist. Open minded people say I believe God exists or I don't believe any gods exist. Agnostics are so open minded they don't even know what they believe.

You do realize you just said there is no difference between open and closed minded people don't you? Truly open minded people say I lean this way or that but I really don't know the answer. Agnostics don't see enough evidence to believe anything in particular.

As usual, you say it best.
Everyone uses judgment when determining what is true and false, and in the process some possibilities are eliminated (at least shelved).

The possibilities for life's origins and meaning are endless, why stop at the bible god? I wish there were MORE perspectives offered here...there are so many religions, so many gods, so much more beyond the limited scope of just christianity. I'd love to hear what others think. I really believe the bible is a dry well. Everything that can be taken from the bible has been- folk wisdom, humorous useless quotes, contradictions, and an overall lack of real information regarding why life exists and what its for.

For me, I like to look at anthropology and sociology when thinking of gods...there is no unanimous decision, so why do humans look for god? Why has god taken the shape it has? There is so much to think about and mull over, but it will always be a personal thing. No forum squabble is going to settle the origin and meaning of life. It just isn't.

But for those who are searching any discussion especially for the undecided can provide new perspectives and the opportunity to consider different ideas regardless if new conclusions are reached or not.

 

[Niamh]

Exactly, so why would someone who doesn't believe in God ask whether God was created? Why attempt to build some philosophy based on questioning something they don't believe in the first place? If someone doesn't believe why isn't that enough?

Why only question Christianity? It seems to me that is all that is done here.

I just said that nobody knows whether or not there is a God, I was born into being a Catholic and I have every right to question a religion that was forced upon me, thank you very much.

 

[Panacea]

But for those who are searching any discussion especially for the undecided can provide new perspectives and the opportunity to consider different ideas regardless if new conclusions are reached or not.

I said forum squabble, not intelligent discussion, for a reason

 

[Minor Axis]

I said forum squabble, not intelligent discussion, for a reason

Point taken. It's just that most of these discussions turn into...

 

[BornReady]

You do realize you just said there is no difference between open and closed minded people don't you? Truly open minded people say I lean this way or that but I really don't know the answer.

I don't follow you. Being open minded doesn't mean you don't have beliefs. It means you realize they are only your beliefs. It is the difference between believing and knowing. If you know God doesn't exist then you are saying it is a fact, end of discussion. That is close minded. If you believe God doesn't exist then you are not making any claim of fact. That is open minded. You are willing to be proven wrong.

Agnostics don't see enough evidence to believe anything in particular.

You are confusing knowledge with belief. If you have evidence then you don't need belief. You know. Belief implies the absence of evidence.

 

[Panacea]

That's the entire point of this thread, which has been bastardized lol. Knowledge versus belief. Claim belief of whatever you wish, but claiming knowledge is a bit more of an exclusive club.

 

[doombug]

It's easy to tell how the thread is going when you see who is crying about the mere discussion itself. Hilarious!

 

[Panacea]

It's easy to tell how the thread is going when you see who is crying about the mere discussion itself. Hilarious!

Don't cry, hun

 

[BornReady]

Claim belief of whatever you wish, but claiming knowledge is a bit more of an exclusive club.

lol Very astute. Belief is easy. Knowledge is tricky. You probably never know something for sure. After all, maybe we're all batteries in the Matrix.

 

[doombug]

Don't cry, hun

So much for having me on "ignore". :24:

 

[Minor Axis]

So much for having me on "ignore". :24:

Is this one of your only intellectual victories?

 

[Niamh]

lol Very astute. Belief is easy. Knowledge is tricky. You probably never know something for sure. After all, maybe we're all batteries in the Matrix.

lol, it's as likely as anything else!

 

[Panacea]

Is this one of your only intellectual victories?

Hehe seems so, doesn't it?

 

[doombug]

Is this one of your only intellectual victories?

Nah, I call it uncovering the truth which is her words don't match her actions. In other words she is full of crap.