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Why in hell should we, or any nation, allow non-citizens to vote??
I hate when guests insist that they are familiy
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Why in hell should we, or any nation, allow non-citizens to vote??
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Only those who can not answer a question answer with asking an other question....my answer to you is you should because I pay the same amount of money as you to decide if they going to spend it on healthcare or not or to be able to keep you out of office
simply because some people are denied citizenship based on nothing more than the calendar.
in Canada a permanent resident must hold that status for four years ( i think it is four, it used to be three) before they are allowed the priviledge of paying a fee, being processed and some (there is always a backlog) two years later being granted citizenship. So all told, a hardworking, law abiding, tax paying, social contributor waits a minimum of six years before being given the right to join in the democratic process. I dont need to tell you Mr Accountable how much damage an administration can do in six short years. Often our immigrants come from countries where their bretheren shed blood to seek democracy and still have not achieved free and fair elections. Not all non-citizens are welfare sponges
The way I view it: if you want the right to vote, along with the other benefits of being a citizen, then you complete the entire process and become naturalized.
This is nothing against immigrants. I would expect to do the same if I immigrated to a new country. I'm sure it's not easy either, and I sympathize with those who have to overcome many hurdles for something that many of us take for granted.
This is nothing against immigrants. I would expect to do the same if I immigrated to a new country. I'm sure it's not easy either, and I sympathize with those who have to overcome many hurdles for something that many of us take for granted.
I do think it can be simply viewed as unfair that a working, taxing paying, productive resident of a country would not have voting rights, where a born citizen who is either not contributing or actually harming citizens in some way can vote. Retro posits the answer is obtain citizenship, but I do think Porterjack has a point. Certainly, life is unfair, however
I'd think it was truly unfair only if it were actually impossible for someone to gain citizenship even if they were as you described. If you move somewhere and plan to stay there the rest of your life, is waiting 4-6 years to be naturalised the worst thing in the world?
It's not very convenient sure, but it's also not killing anyone.
.......it's not killing anyone, right? :ninja *waits for the link showing in fact, it is*
there is a difference between being a permanent resident/green card holder and someone who just happens to be in your countryI do think it can be simply viewed as unfair that a working, taxing paying, productive resident of a country would not have voting rights, where a born citizen who is either not contributing or actually harming citizens in some way can vote. Retro posits the answer is obtain citizenship, but I do think Porterjack has a point. Certainly, life is unfair, however
it would not be difficult to adminster voting rights for the former, i would hope there is already a documentation check for those currently able to vote (being on the electoral roll and showing photo id that proves yoru address etc etc)
I guess on the continuum of the unfair, I find this a very low number...compared to say, being overlooked for a promotion when you're clearly the best candidate, or having someone cut in line at Walmart
You know what I hate? Those days when someone cuts in front of me and I'm not a US citizen. That's the worst :ninja
dont let your personal bitterness cloud your judgement dearI, or having someone cut in line at Walmart
I am for 10 years in USA and pay Taxes in the same system as anybody else. I went true the burden of not been able to benefit from your welfare system till I had paid enough into it. As I am allowed to vote on local matters I can absolutely not see why I am not allowed to vote federal.
The phrase of becoming a citizen is nonsense. As a permanent residence you should have the right to vote for were your money is going to and used for. It is not the case of not willing to become a citizen but often if you do you will lose the nationality you come from and to force that on some one is not the freedom you carry and talk about so often. It’s you can pay money and even go in your army and die for your country but not be able to vote for your commander in chief or even choose for the one who is going to be your army officer in charge. Only point I agree with on is if to apply for the high office post you need to be a citizen AND BORN here all other things sounds more like a dictatorial idea to me. It is almost like not allowing and against the law prostitution but have them pay taxes over there income. Finally but not last. If you do promote to have people becoming a citizen first than make it at least affordable so it will not only be for the rich.Paying $ 1000 for a form, learning your national anthem and jumping to a circus hoop as some sort of loyalty sounds crazy to me.
The phrase of becoming a citizen is nonsense. As a permanent residence you should have the right to vote for were your money is going to and used for. It is not the case of not willing to become a citizen but often if you do you will lose the nationality you come from and to force that on some one is not the freedom you carry and talk about so often. It’s you can pay money and even go in your army and die for your country but not be able to vote for your commander in chief or even choose for the one who is going to be your army officer in charge. Only point I agree with on is if to apply for the high office post you need to be a citizen AND BORN here all other things sounds more like a dictatorial idea to me. It is almost like not allowing and against the law prostitution but have them pay taxes over there income. Finally but not last. If you do promote to have people becoming a citizen first than make it at least affordable so it will not only be for the rich.Paying $ 1000 for a form, learning your national anthem and jumping to a circus hoop as some sort of loyalty sounds crazy to me.
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Isn't there such a thing as dual nationality?
yes and no
some countries dont like it when you sign up for a second
is a sore point amongst many small c conservative Canadians, for example when things get hot in places like Beirut there are govt funded evacuations that help Canadian/Lebanese dual nationals escape
another fave topic of mine as you might guess, maybe fodder for a new thread?
The Dutch seem to have moved to the right on certain issues lately
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