I believe...God is a man

[Peter Parka]

LMAO! Believing in a god with no concrete evidence is blind faith!

 

[luc154]

LMAO! Believing in a god with no concrete evidence is blind faith!

The fact that you believe that there is no concrete evidence, doesn't make it so.

 

[pladecalvo]

Who told you that?

History and archaeology tell me this. Now if you are saying that there was a 40 year period when Egypt was uninhabited by man and beast, you'll need to show when that happened.

You believe all these things because you accept them in blind faith.

No I don't. I have history and archaeology to confirm it.

 

[luc154]

History and archaeology tell me this. Now if you are saying that there was a 40 year period when Egypt was uninhabited by man and beast, you'll need to show when that happened.

No I don't. I have history and archaeology to confirm it.

So why don't you accept that same history and archaeology when it confirms the Bible?

 

[pladecalvo]

The fact that you believe that there is no concrete evidence, doesn't make it so.

If there is concrete evidence, produce it. If there is concrete evidence why are you required to have 'faith'? If there is concrete evidence why do we have thousands of different denominations of Christianity all claiming different 'truths'? If there was concrete evidence people wouldn't be on this forum arguing would they?

 

[pladecalvo]

So why don't you accept that same history and archaeology when it confirms the Bible?

I do. The Bible contains many mentions of people and places that did actually exist but that doesn't prove the Bible true and accurate any more than Homer's 'Ilyad' or "Odyssey" is true and accurate because it mentions Mt Olympus or Flemming's "James Bond" books are true and accurate because they mention London.

 

[luc154]

If there is concrete evidence, produce it.

Even if I would produce concrete evidence, you would still reject it.

If there is concrete evidence why are you required to have 'faith'?

One must always have faith to come to God. What kind of a son doesn't have faith in his fathers sincerity. If you don't have faith when you come to God, why should He reveal Himself. It's just like saying : 'God I don't trust you'

If there is concrete evidence why do we have thousands of different denominations of Christianity all claiming different 'truths'?

The fact that we have different denominations doesn't have anything to do with lack of evidence of Gods existence. It has all to do with evidence that man is a fallen creature and has trouble living in unity with each other.
Jesus said: 'do not believe that I have come into this world to bring peace, I have come to bring separation' Luke 12:51

If there was concrete evidence people wouldn't be on this forum arguing would they?

You are not looking for evidence, you are looking for trying to disprove Christianity.

 

[luc154]

I do. The Bible contains many mentions of people and places that did actually exist but that doesn't prove the Bible true and accurate any more than Homer's 'Ilyad' or "Odyssey" is true and accurate because it mentions Mt Olympus or Flemming's "James Bond" books are true and accurate because they mention London.

Homer did not claim to be God and prove it. Neither did Flemming or any creature that God has created.

 

[pladecalvo]

Even if I would produce concrete evidence, you would still reject it.

Try me!

One must always have faith to come to God

.Faith is simply the practice of ignoring the supportable in favour of a desired belief. Faith is nothing but a way to lie to yourself when the evidence refuses to say what you want it to say.

Faith is never a good thing. Faith is the psychological mechanism which allows us to deny reality and accept, in its place, a desirable fantasy. And you recognize this in every other aspect of your life. When you drive, you don't just charge through red lights because you recognize the reality of the danger -- you subscribe to the evidence. If you're working on the wiring in your home and you see the wires arcing, you won't simply grab the wires in faith that nothing will harm you. Instead you'll subscribe to the evidence and seek to cut the power before continuing.

Faith equals denial of reality and it's never a good thing. Faith is what allows people to believe that black cats can bring them bad luck. Faith is what allowed people to throw their own children into volcanoes. Faith should always be seen as a negative because that's exactly what faith is.

The fact that we have different denominations doesn't have anything to do with lack of evidence of Gods existence.

I didn't say it did. I said that if there was "concrete evidence" for the existence of god there wouldn't be thousands of different denominations all with different ideas of what god does, did, thinks, wants or doesn't want. The "concrete evidence" would dispel all of that.

You are not looking for evidence, you are looking for trying to disprove Christianity.

I don't need to disprove Christianity. It manages well enough on it's own.

Homer did not claim to be God and prove it. Neither did Flemming or any creature that God has created.

You missed the point by a mile luc.

 

[luc154]

Try me!

.Faith is simply the practice of ignoring the supportable in favour of a desired belief. Faith is nothing but a way to lie to yourself when the evidence refuses to say what you want it to say.

Faith is never a good thing. Faith is the psychological mechanism which allows us to deny reality and accept, in its place, a desirable fantasy. And you recognize this in every other aspect of your life. When you drive, you don't just charge through red lights because you recognize the reality of the danger -- you subscribe to the evidence. If you're working on the wiring in your home and you see the wires arcing, you won't simply grab the wires in faith that nothing will harm you. Instead you'll subscribe to the evidence and seek to cut the power before continuing.

Faith equals denial of reality and it's never a good thing. Faith is what allows people to believe that black cats can bring them bad luck. Faith is what allowed people to throw their own children into volcanoes. Faith should always be seen as a negative because that's exactly what faith is.

I didn't say it did. I said that if there was "concrete evidence" for the existence of god there wouldn't be thousands of different denominations all with different ideas of what god does, did, thinks, wants or doesn't want. The "concrete evidence" would dispel all of that.


I don't need to disprove Christianity. It manages well enough on it's own.

You missed the point by a mile luc.

So you keep saying.

 

[Minor Axis]

You are not looking for evidence, you are looking for trying to disprove Christianity

In regards to statements by pladecalvo, I agree with you. I don't believe he's neutral on Christianity.

 

[Sparkey Duck]

The fact that you believe that there is no concrete evidence, doesn't make it so.

No only Capitan Picard can do that!

 

[Godsloveapples]

Listen Temperamental. I hope you're sat down at the moment because this may come as a bit of a shock to you. There's no other way of breaking this to you other than coming straight out with it...sometimes one has to be cruel to be kind eh?

You ask how could anyone how known about human reproduction 1428 years ago. Well, the Egyptians had a good idea of how it all worked...they even knew what the function of the testicles were. The Greeks, Romans and Chinese knew about it too. So if this knowledge being known 1428 years ago amazes you, you must have had your socks blown off to find that the process of human reproduction was actually understood (in very basic form) as far back as 3000BCE. Just think of that dude......that's 4428 years BEFORE the Quran was even written!!

They had a good idea of how it worked. They didn't know it in detail. Some of the information within these verses is so detailed that it was impossible for anyone living in the 7th century to have known it.
1. Man is not created from the entire semen, but only a very small portion of it (sperm).
2. It is the male that determines the sex of the baby.
3. The human embryo adheres to the mother's uterus like a leech.
4. The embryo develops in three dark regions in the uterus.
The items of information just quoted were far above the level of learning of the people living at that time. The discovery of these facts could only become possible by the technology attained in the 20th century. Miracles of the Qur'an - Modern Science Reveals New Miracles of the Qur'an

Where are you getting your info from?