High school valedictorian denied diploma over graduation speech

[AUFred]

I really think a big deal is being made out of nothing. Give the girl her diploma and send her on her way. Give her a severe talking to if you are so inclined. Many years of hard work and effort wiped out by one word, come on. I think the Principal is being an ass.

 

[The Man]

Can't see why you're determined to put foul language into my daughters mouth, but if you do it again I will take steps.

You must have missed your morning coffee....I havent put words into your daughters mouth.

 

[The Man]

I really think a big deal is being made out of nothing. Give the girl her diploma and send her on her way. Give her a severe talking to if you are so inclined. Many years of hard work and effort wiped out by one word, come on. I think the Principal is being an ass.

I expect they will give it to her..they just want to make her sweat a while IMO.
Technically she doesnt need it ...as she passed...the piece of paper is just the trophy

 

[Kakapo Dundee]

You must have missed your morning coffee....I havent put words into your daughters mouth.

No need to apologise,I fully understand.

 

[The Man]

The word hell may be acceptable for you, but it may not for others.

Where do you draw the line as to what words are acceptable?

I love civilians in large crowd gatherings for events. Rules and procedures are in place, and it those rules are enforced, it's usually due to the overzealousnous of the authorities and NEVER due to the actions of some of the idiots who attend that gathering LOL

Some of you may not realize this, but kids have not been getting their diploma's at high school graduations since they started having them, either due to the actions of the student or their family. Thing is, now it's big news and everyone feel likes someone has been wronged.

Girl knowingly broke the rules, changed her speech and she got hit with it.

As for students families making disturbances, you have 400 students to graduate and if each student takes an extra minute to get their diploma because their family is making to much noise, that's adding an extra 6.5 hours for graduation LOL Thing is, people tend to forget how long these ceremonies can take when people can get out of hand.

Sums it up

 

[Kakapo Dundee]

Sums up the facts, but does not address the debate.

Was the penalty imposed reasonable and proportionate to the infraction? I don't think so.

I really think a big deal is being made out of nothing. Give the girl her diploma and send her on her way. Give her a severe talking to if you are so inclined. Many years of hard work and effort wiped out by one word, come on. I think the Principal is being an ass.

Fred is generally more conservative than I am, but on this occasion, I agree with him 100%

 

[Francis]

The word hell may be acceptable for you, but it may not for others.

Where do you draw the line as to what words are acceptable?

I love civilians in large crowd gatherings for events. Rules and procedures are in place, and it those rules are enforced, it's usually due to the overzealousnous of the authorities and NEVER due to the actions of some of the idiots who attend that gathering LOL

Some of you may not realize this, but kids have not been getting their diploma's at high school graduations since they started having them, either due to the actions of the student or their family. Thing is, now it's big news and everyone feel likes someone has been wronged.

Girl knowingly broke the rules, changed her speech and she got hit with it.

Do you know for sure she was advised this was a forbidden word ? After all she use the word Heck on place of and yet to school refuses to comment, so I guess none of us really know right now.

She did not change her speech by the way. She changed one word that had the same meaning, hence the meaning and of the speech remained the same. Had she gone with a totally different speech that would have been a totally different story.

For all we know the principal might have said to her "Hell" of a good speech kid, while she was in his office.

Seeing neither of us were there, we will never know..

As for students families making disturbances, you have 400 students to graduate and if each student takes an extra minute to get their diploma because their family is making to much noise, that's adding an extra 6.5 hours for graduation LOL Thing is, people tend to forget how long these ceremonies can take when people can get out of hand.

I couldn't care less if it took 12 hrs for the ceremony.. It was not the kids fault at all and he cannot be blamed. How can you honestly blame a kid for something out of his control.

 

[The Man]

Do you know for sure she was advised this was a forbidden word ? After all she use the word Heck on place of and yet to school refuses to comment, so I guess none of us really know right now.

She did not change her speech by the way. She changed one word that had the same meaning, hence the meaning and of the speech remained the same. Had she gone with a totally different speech that would have been a totally different story.

For all we know the principal might have said to her "Hell" of a good speech kid, while she was in his office.

Seeing neither of us were there, we will never know..



I couldn't care less if it took 12 hrs for the ceremony.. It was not the kids fault at all and he cannot be blamed. How can you honestly blame a kid for something out of his control.

She did change her speech as it was written.
If she didnt know it was forbidden then why did her written speech use heck.
Same meaning yes.
So does intercourse and fucking...try saying fucking at a graduation ceremony and see if you get your diploma.

You know these rules are in place to keep the kids in order as there is essentially no other way for control...The kids are out of school and have passed...If we didnt have these rules the ceremonies would be one big joke...with some very disrupt children

 

[Francis]

She did change her speech as it was written.
If she didnt know it was forbidden then why did her written speech use heck.
Same meaning yes.
So does intercourse and fucking...try saying fucking at a graduation ceremony and see if you get your diploma.

You know these rules are in place to keep the kids in order as there is essentially no other way for control...The kids are out of school and have passed...If we didnt have these rules the ceremonies would be one big joke...with some very disrupt children

Social intercourse ?

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/social+intercourse

If you were to use Sexual Intercourse in place of Fucking in a school ceremony most kids would give you a dead stare..

I don't know one kid that was valedictorian that didn't take this very seriously..

Oh and if next year a speech is submitted and it says "between courses it was tough" and the student changes it to "inter courses it was tough" as he is really nervous on stage what then ? Or God forbid if someone forgets to mention "The" or "a" in a speech as they will now have altered the handed in speech to which a precedent has been set.

A bad precedent is being set here for the whole school board. Next year they may not have anyone step up to be valedictorian in fear that a misplaced word will get them no Diploma. These are not kids that cause problems, we are talking "A" students and the most dependable students of the school not the trouble makers.

Bad choice to make an example of because they picked on a model student.

 

[Joe the meek]

Do you know for sure she was advised this was a forbidden word ? After all she use the word Heck on place of and yet to school refuses to comment, so I guess none of us really know right now.

You're right, none of us will really know, which I believe I pointed out numerous times LOL

The fact is this is a SCHOOL FUNCTION. The girl submitted her paperwork and changed it at the urging of her friends (what I read). School has the upper hand. The girl is paying the price. Has happened numerous times in the past, will happen numerous times in the future.

Ultimately, if I was a school administrator, little things like these would be written down and included in the school handbook to cover my butt, so when I have a yahoo who goes crying to the press and the internet gets a buzz on the topic, I don't have to say anything because it's all written down and already signed by the student. Good chance that is already the case.

I don't feel sorry at all for the girl. She intentionally changed her speech, and now she is paying the price. Big deal, it's a diploma. The transcript is what you need anyway, not the diploma LMFAO

This is what I call the pussification of America. Go crying to the press when YOU do something wrong and YOU have to pay the price and hope that since people feel sorry for you, you can get what you want.

 

[The Man]

Social intercourse ?

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/social+intercourse

If you were to use Sexual Intercourse in place of Fucking in a school ceremony most kids would give you a dead stare..

I don't know one kid that was valedictorian that didn't take this very seriously..

Oh and if next year a speech is submitted and it says "between courses it was tough" and the student changes it to "inter courses it was tough" as he is really nervous on stage what then ? Or God forbid if someone forgets to mention "The" or "a" in a speech as they will now have altered the handed in speech to which a precedent has been set.

A bad precedent is being set here for the whole school board. Next year they may not have anyone step up to be valedictorian in fear that a misplaced word will get them no Diploma. These are not kids that cause problems, we are talking "A" students and the most dependable students of the school not the trouble makers.

Bad choice to make an example of because they picked on a model student.

If you were to use Sexual Intercourse in place of Fucking in a school ceremony most kids would give you a dead stare..

Let em....its staff that determines if you get your diploma not the students

Oh and if next year a speech is submitted and it says "between courses it was tough" and the student changes it to "inter courses it was tough" as he is really nervous on stage what then ? Or God forbid if someone forgets to mention "The" or "a" in a speech as they will now have altered the handed in speech to which a precedent has been set.

matter of context.....but in this case....Hell is hell there is no mistake.

A bad precedent is being set here for the whole school board.

How so?....by enforcing rules?

Dont get me wrong I would like to see the girl get her diploma...but I have no problems with them making her dance a little.

Next year they may not have anyone step up to be valedictorian in fear that a misplaced word will get them no Diploma.

I seriously doubt that.....all they have to do is not curse during the speech......pretty easy.

These are not kids that cause problems, we are talking "A" students and the most dependable students of the school not the trouble makers.

This student cursed in from of a large crowd at a school function after she was given the honor of valedictorian...broke the rules while doing such.

Bad choice to make an example of because they picked on a model student

Model students dont curse in front of a large crowd at a school function...not the behavior of a model student is it?

 

[Kyle B]

This is what I call the pussification of America. Go crying to the press when YOU do something wrong and YOU have to pay the price and hope that since people feel sorry for you, you can get what you want.

How do you consider this the pussification of America but not the school withholding a high school diploma from their valedictorian because she said a word they didn't like?

 

[Francis]

The fact is this is a SCHOOL FUNCTION.

Yah a Public School. Arn't Public schools payed for by taxes ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prague_High_School_(Oklahoma)

So in essence it should be everyone who pays taxes choice whether she gets her diploma not just one person's ?

The girl submitted her paperwork and changed it at the urging of her friends (what I read). School has the upper hand. The girl is paying the price. Has happened numerous times in the past, will happen numerous times in the future.

OK so why aren't all her friends that urged her to change the "single word" also being made examples of. They are accomplishes and are as guilty as her.

Ultimately, if I was a school administrator, little things like these would be written down and included in the school handbook to cover my butt, so when I have a yahoo who goes crying to the press and the internet gets a buzz on the topic, I don't have to say anything because it's all written down and already signed by the student. Good chance that is already the case.

No comment.. :24:

I don't feel sorry at all for the girl. She intentionally changed her speech, and now she is paying the price. Big deal, it's a diploma. The transcript is what you need anyway, not the diploma LMFAO

I keep telling it's not the point. So what next year Transcripts, Gold Medals from sports activities non-related.. Where does it stop.. If you knew anything about parenting, you would know you NEVER EVER not give something deserved and achieved. A good educator would find something else to ensure this would not happen again. This sets a bad precedence for all the next students coming up to school this September and most will have no respect for him. They may fear him but will have no respect for him.

This is what I call the pussification of America. Go crying to the press when YOU do something wrong and YOU have to pay the price and hope that since people feel sorry for you, you can get what you want.

So this going to the press would be the same under your eyes. Why did you bother to post it ?

http://www.offtopicz.net/showthread...e-handcuffed&p=2244692&viewfull=1#post2244692

 

[Francis]

Let em....its staff that determines if you get your diploma not the students



matter of context.....but in this case....Hell is hell there is no mistake.


How so?....by enforcing rules?

Dont get me wrong I would like to see the girl get her diploma...but I have no problems with them making her dance a little.

I seriously doubt that.....all they have to do is not curse during the speech......pretty easy.


This student cursed in from of a large crowd at a school function after she was given the honor of valedictorian...broke the rules while doing such.


Model students dont curse in front of a large crowd at a school function...not the behavior of a model student is it?

As usual you did not answer the question. Giving your opinion about someone does not take it so..

You can deny she was a Model Student that's your right, which she was, but the facts are there that she was.

She was not chosen valedictorian for being a goof of or a bad student which you try to do in your last line.. Sorry doesn't work that way..

You could claim she made a judgment error and that could be acceptable.. But that does not take away all she did.

To me I couldn't care less if she gets her diploma.. Its the precedent it sets..

 

[Joe the meek]

How do you consider this the pussification of America but not the school withholding a high school diploma from their valedictorian because she said a word they didn't like?

Do we have any clue what is written in the school rule book?

She knew she shouldn't of used that word, did so (and changed her speech doing so) and now is bringing the public eye onto the situation saying "look at poor me, I'm not getting my diploma", and all the yahoo's are jumping on the bandwagon feeling sorry for her.

Like I said, I would like to know if she had to sign a student rule book and what is listed in it.

 

[Joe the meek]

So this going to the press would be the same under your eyes. Why did you bother to post it ?

http://www.offtopicz.net/showthread...e-handcuffed&p=2244692&viewfull=1#post2244692

You ever been handcuffed behind the back sitting in a patrol car? Shooting yourself in the head isn't easy. I question if the guy could actually do it.

 

[Joe the meek]

If you knew anything about parenting, you would know you NEVER EVER not give something deserved and achieved. A good educator would find something else to ensure this would not happen again. This sets a bad precedence for all the next students coming up to school this September and most will have no respect for him. They may fear him but will have no respect for him.

If YOU knew anything about parenting, you should realize you have consequences for bad choices.

This girl made a bad choice, plain and simple.

The question is, did she know she could run the risk of NOT getting her diploma when she changed her speech? I think so, but I don't know for a fact.

 

[Francis]

You ever been handcuffed behind the back sitting in a patrol car? Shooting yourself in the head isn't easy. I question if the guy could actually do it.

You know exactly the point I was making..

 

[Joe the meek]

You know exactly the point I was making..

Apparently I don't.

There is a far difference between a man losing his life and a girl not getting a high school diploma in my book as far as going to the press.

Honestly, I don't even know why you even bothered asking that question.

 

[The Man]

As usual you did not answer the question. Giving your opinion about someone does not take it so..

You can deny she was a Model Student that's your right, which she was, but the facts are there that she was.

She was not chosen valedictorian for being a goof of or a bad student which you try to do in your last line.. Sorry doesn't work that way..

You could claim she made a judgment error and that could be acceptable.. But that does not take away all she did.

To me I couldn't care less if she gets her diploma.. Its the precedent it sets..

As usual you did not answer the question. Giving your opinion about someone does not take it so..

Your questions were answered ..you just cant rebut them

She was not chosen valedictorian for being a goof of or a bad student which you try to do in your last line.. Sorry doesn't work that way

I didnt deny she was a model student before hand....but lets face it she wasnt a model student graduation day....I guess we could have a model citizen go do a bank job then not punish him???
She broke the rules..its pretty simple.

She was not chosen valedictorian for being a goof of or a bad student which you try to do in your last line.. Sorry doesn't work that way.

I never stated she was chosen for being a good off or a bad student

You could claim she made a judgment error and that could be acceptable.. But that does not take away all she did.

I have not claimed such...I will say this however it was a poor decision on her part and totally disrespectful to the school and its audience...which is unacceptable.
Mind you I want her to get her diploma..but there needs to be some consequences for her action...20 page essay....or a 100 laps around the gym....perhaps pick up gum wrappers and sweep the sidewalks... or wax the floors....some mild form of punishment.
Graduation ceremonies are meant to be serious...Staff takes it very seriously as to show an audience what a great bunch of kids they have.....You ruin the ceremony ...you piss off the big cheese...it has always been that way..this is nothing new