Hey Christians! Why?

[Strauss]

not automatically...
this is a profoundly generalized statement, a statement of faith asserting truth.
but it applies to everyone just about as much as a christain god does.....:ninja

I have faith that you are correct.

On a more serious note, that is a true statement.

 

[All Else Failed]

not automatically...
this is a profoundly generalized statement, a statement of faith asserting truth.
but it applies to everyone just about as much as a christain god does.....:ninja



given the rest of your post, this seems to be saying that proof must tangible, and so available for all to see....it that what you're saying?

Yes. Proof of god should be everywhere if he exists. There is no need for him to be mysterious and hidden if he truly lives.


and none of that "l0Lz the natural w0rLd iz pR00f of DeeZign". It isn't.

 

[The Joker]

Faith is free. Faith is painless. Faith is greater than anything else in the world. Do you have faith in love?

I have faith in love only because I know love exists.

 

[UppinSmoke]

I saw God in McDonalds.

 

[sierrabravo]

 

[Mase]

Science is God's way of saying he doesn't exist.

 

[All Else Failed]

Faith is free. Faith is painless. Faith is greater than anything else in the world. Do you have faith in love?

Faith is fool hearty.

 

[Obdurate]

Faith can give people hope. And doesn't have to be destructive at all.

But ignore me.

 

[Ryder]

this should be merged into the other thread Ryder

You rang?

But in all seriousness. You don't have to see something to believe in it.

 

[All Else Failed]

you need proof of something to meaningfully accept it. Otherwise you can just make up anything that sounds good and people may begin to believe lies.

 

[siasl]

you need proof of something to meaningfully accept it. Otherwise you can just make up anything that sounds good and people may begin to believe lies.

ok....this makes more sense
it is, however, still ignoring the fact that a person can discover something that is meaningful to them -something they call god, for example- that has no basis for truth in your reality

all that means is that you don't have to accept it......it doesn't mean their wrong

so to me, all your saying is that the responsiblity for acceptance/rejection of "truth" is within each individual....a great arguement for critical thought (because there are people who will spread lies to serve their purpose)....but not much of an arguement against the value of faith.

 

[PinkZebra]

Science is God's way of saying he doesn't exist.

Mase, when you say "Science is God's way of saying he doesn't exist", you are saying God exists

I think science only helps understand all of the wonderful things God has created for us.
Even the simplest of minds will wonder who the universe was created by. It surely didn't happen by accident. Looking at all the different kinds of "man"....black, white, asian, indian, etc.... they didn't "evolve", they were created in Gods image which no one can understand because he's God......we can only have faith and believe.

Which takes more "faith".....to believe in God or to Not believe in God?

 

[All Else Failed]

Mase, when you say "Science is God's way of saying he doesn't exist", you are saying God exists

I think science only helps understand all of the wonderful things God has created for us.
Even the simplest of minds will wonder who the universe was created by. It surely didn't happen by accident. Looking at all the different kinds of "man"....black, white, asian, indian, etc.... they didn't "evolve", they were created in Gods image which no one can understand because he's God......we can only have faith and believe.

Which takes more "faith".....to believe in God or to Not believe in God?

no he isn't.


You're falsely assuming the Universe had to be created by someone.


Oh and different ethnicities/race are easily explained by evolution. Plus you'd HAVE TO believe in at least some sort of evolution if you consider Adam and Eve to be the first man and woman that spawned all other human life, because they'd both have to be the same race and for all of the different racial types on Earth there had to be evolutionary change for them to be that way based on their environment.


It doesn't take faith to not believe in god. You can't have faith in something that you don't even think exists. You're scientifically illiterate.

 

[groundpounder]

LESS FILLING!!!!



TASTES GREAT!!!!!


and the train kept a-rollin' all night long...

 

[Peter Parka]

Got to love these arguements that keep rolling over and over and will continue to do so when there isn't any proof of either. Would laugh if something new was suddenly discovered that proved a third way and burried both these arguements for good.:24:

 

[PinkZebra]

no he isn't.

It doesn't take faith to not believe in god. You can't have faith in something that you don't even think exists.

He said "its Gods way of saying"...........that to me says that God is saying something, right?

How does one explain how the entire universe was created if not by God?

The definition of faith is "a belief in something not based on proof"....there is no proof of how the universe got here, so you have to have faith that it just magically just appeared or faith that a larger being (God) created it. Either way its faith. Either you have faith that there is God or you have faith that their isn't. The way I see it, it takes more faith to believe there is no God.

I'm looking forward to dying and living with God in Heaven for eternity. I have faith that that's going to happen :thumbup I would love it if everyone believed the way I do, but, sadly I know thats not the way it is.

 

[Peter Parka]

Why do you think its sad if everyone dosen't believe in the same thing as you, something which is just a guess anyway? What a boring world that would be. If there is a god and thats what he wants, what the hell did he give us free will for then? Might as well made a world full of robots.

 

[PinkZebra]

Why do you think its sad if everyone dosen't believe in the same thing as you

Because if I'm believing in the thing thats true.....I'll be in heaven with my creator and if others denied that opportunity, it would make me sad because I know where they will be spending eternity.

 

[Peter Parka]

But the only reason you believe that is true because you guessed it is and sounds rather nice. Theres worse things to get sad about than a baseless theory that people are going to hell if they dont think the same as you. If there is a god and your theory is correct, I'm sure he would have made it crystal clear. As he hasn't I can only logically conclude that its either wrong or god is imperfect.

 

[All Else Failed]

He said "its Gods way of saying"...........that to me says that God is saying something, right?

How does one explain how the entire universe was created if not by God?

The definition of faith is "a belief in something not based on proof"....there is no proof of how the universe got here, so you have to have faith that it just magically just appeared or faith that a larger being (God) created it. Either way its faith. Either you have faith that there is God or you have faith that their isn't. The way I see it, it takes more faith to believe there is no God.

I'm looking forward to dying and living with God in Heaven for eternity. I have faith that that's going to happen :thumbup I would love it if everyone believed the way I do, but, sadly I know thats not the way it is.

Big bang, have fun.


I know what faith means, and its dangerous. To dedicate your life to something where no evidence is present is not recommended.


What is the difference between magic, god, aliens, a purple hippo, a unicorn and a sentient pineapple creating the universe? There is none.


We do not know right now what the big bang came from, but that doesn't mean at all that you can play the "god of the gaps' fallacy and point to it as evidence. its illogical. However, we do know that our best evidence for how the universe was created was by a rapid expansion.


It doesn't take faith to not believe in god. Faith means to believing in something without evidence. You can't believe in a nonexistent thing.

I would love for people to stop believing in folk lore and myths that were spawned in the middle east that follow the exact same pattern of human cultural diffusion and anthropology, but alas people cannot see the forest for the trees.