Guns

[dt3]

Do you think a gun is more likely to harm a child or innocent party in the home more or less than it would hurt a robber or other fellon?

To be honest Peter, I think you're assumption is correct. However, I'd like to see a source comparing the two. I can find different reports from different time periods for both sides of the issue. I believe that a children being unintentionally harmed is a terrible thing, and as I've stated I believe that laws in place to prevent that are completely necessary. The two prior links I posted show that when the safe-storage laws are in place, the percentage of children harmed drops dramatically (51% in Florida).

I do not, however, believe that the responsibility of the adult stops there. I believe educating a child is the best form of prevention. I was brought up with a healthy respect for firearms and the damage they're able to cause. If you have a gun in the house, I think you should teach your child about it and how dangerous it is. Don't let them just get curious one day and decide to play with it. My grandpa used to take us shooting all the time. Knowing that if we asked he'd more than likely take us gave us no reason to try to do it behind his back unsupervised.

Here's an interesting study from 1991. Read it and tell me what you think.
NCJRS Abstract - National Criminal Justice Reference Service

 

[dt3]

I know what a big thing it is to own a gun in the USA so do you think maybe this would be a good law to avoid innocent people dying? If not, why not?

Absolutely I do. Like I've already said several times, I strongly support the safe-storage laws in states (including my own) that have them. The links I've provided show that they work. Every state should implement them. Unfortunately only 3 states have severe penalties for violating it though. Florida is one of them, and it has had the highest drop in # of children's injuries. Here, if you're gun is used by a child and someone is hurt, you have commited a felony. Most states don't make it a felony, and I think that's wrong.

 

[dt3]

if 80 people (8 of which are children)die each day in america then that would indicate to me that there is an underlying problem,and i fund those statistics frightening.

Can you show a source for the 80 people, or did I miss that in Peter's link?

incidently i live on a hunting estate in shropshire ,and many of my neighbours own shotguns,even my own daughter(porphyria)has experienced hunting and shooting
personnally -i dont like guns

Do you feel that your daughter's experience/training in responsible firearm usage makes it less likely for her to use the gun in a way that would harm someone? I think proper education is the key.

 

[Peter Parka]

Absolutely I do. Like I've already said several times, I strongly support the safe-storage laws in states (including my own) that have them. The links I've provided show that they work. Every state should implement them. Unfortunately only 3 states have severe penalties for violating it though. Florida is one of them, and it has had the highest drop in # of children's injuries. Here, if you're gun is used by a child and someone is hurt, you have commited a felony. Most states don't make it a felony, and I think that's wrong.

I guess I agree with you then!:eek

 

[debbie t]

we made a huge decision to let eve (porphyria) go hunting and shoot an animal.it is not a very usual or common thing to do in this country.

we made the decision so that she could experience hunting and shooting and of course develope a respect for implements which are sometimes automatically considered somewhat "gangsta" here.

she shot well and cleanly,she experienced the exhilaration of that kill,and then the sadness at taking life.she skinned and gutted the animal(a rabbit)herself,and we ate it.

i feel children(she was 12 at the time)need to understand and respect where meat comes from if they eat it.most think it comes prepacked from a supermarket.i also wanted her to have the experience as thats what life is about and the knowledge .

all in all it was agood thing

 

[dt3]

I guess I agree with you then!:eek

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for agreeing with you. But I had the impression from other threads you were against gun ownership completely? Sorry if I misread you before

 

[HisHoliness]

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for agreeing with you. But I had the impression from other threads you were against gun ownership completely? Sorry if I misread you before

It's not a misread. It's because he's conveniently and correctly changed his opinion in this thread.

 

[UncleBacon]

why is it good because taking guns out of the hands of good law biding citizens is not taking the guns out of the criminals hands...criminals will still be able to obtain guns no matter what the law...you take away our right to bare arms the criminals will know this and have no fear to break in and do hold ups and what not....someone breaks into my house he's going to have a really bad day why because I have guns and I'm a damn good shot

 

[UncleBacon]

I do agree that guns though should be safely stored when kids are in the house

 

[All Else Failed]

I fully support responsible citizens being able to own and buy firearms. Although, I think the process in which they buy them needs to be strengthened.

 

[UncleBacon]

well holy shit we agree about something

 

[GraceAbounds]

To be honest Peter, I think you're assumption is correct. However, I'd like to see a source comparing the two. I can find different reports from different time periods for both sides of the issue. I believe that a children being unintentionally harmed is a terrible thing, and as I've stated I believe that laws in place to prevent that are completely necessary. The two prior links I posted show that when the safe-storage laws are in place, the percentage of children harmed drops dramatically (51% in Florida).

I do not, however, believe that the responsibility of the adult stops there. I believe educating a child is the best form of prevention. I was brought up with a healthy respect for firearms and the damage they're able to cause. If you have a gun in the house, I think you should teach your child about it and how dangerous it is. Don't let them just get curious one day and decide to play with it. My grandpa used to take us shooting all the time. Knowing that if we asked he'd more than likely take us gave us no reason to try to do it behind his back unsupervised.

Here's an interesting study from 1991. Read it and tell me what you think.
NCJRS Abstract - National Criminal Justice Reference Service

Same here.

My oldest owns his own rifle and soon will own his own handgun.

My DH and I both have concealed weapons permits and my DH carries a firearm with him just about everywhere we go, as do I.

It is not that it is so dangerous in the US, it is just the more we have grown to value life the more we'll be damned if some nut job is going to take it away from us or one of our children, if you kwim?

It only takes one time. I agree with Donnie, education is key. That and maturity.

 

[GraceAbounds]

why is it good because taking guns out of the hands of good law biding citizens is not taking the guns out of the criminals hands...criminals will still be able to obtain guns no matter what the law...you take away our right to bare arms the criminals will know this and have no fear to break in and do hold ups and what not....someone breaks into my house he's going to have a really bad day why because I have guns and I'm a damn good shot

Same here.

 

[GraceAbounds]

we made a huge decision to let eve (porphyria) go hunting and shoot an animal.it is not a very usual or common thing to do in this country.

we made the decision so that she could experience hunting and shooting and of course develope a respect for implements which are sometimes automatically considered somewhat "gangsta" here.

she shot well and cleanly,she experienced the exhilaration of that kill,and then the sadness at taking life.she skinned and gutted the animal(a rabbit)herself,and we ate it.

i feel children(she was 12 at the time)need to understand and respect where meat comes from if they eat it.most think it comes prepacked from a supermarket.i also wanted her to have the experience as thats what life is about and the knowledge .

all in all it was agood thing

Very good lesson. I couldn't agree more. Don't mean to sound corny, but it is that whole 'circle of life' thing. It is survival & it is good for them to learn.

 

[IntruderLS1]

Ah man.... I missed it. I was all ready to rock back on page 1, but you guys all went and made up. Maybe next time.

:jk:


... Is this a first?

 

[dt3]

... Is this a first?

Definitely the most reasonable debate we've ever seen on here. I'm stunned.

 

[All Else Failed]

I'm starting to build up my WW2 rifle (bolt actions only) collection. I'm getting a K98 Mauser next. SS markings.

 

[IntruderLS1]

Interesting choice for you. Excellent weapon, but an interesting choice.

You have a dealer you're working with? How much did this one cost you, what else do you have, what kind of condition are they in, and can you drop me a good contact?

Why WWII Bolt action only? There are some fantastic WWII guns out there that aren't bolt operated.

I learned something new today (which is rare when it comes to WWII). I didn't know the SS marked their weapons. I'm going to have to dig for some good pics now. :applause:

 

[juggler]

why is it good because taking guns out of the hands of good law biding citizens is not taking the guns out of the criminals hands...criminals will still be able to obtain guns no matter what the law

I agree with you. I've only been in the pub trade a short while, but the last offer I had was for a Mac 10 with clips! Guns are out there regardless of the law, which quite frankly scares the crap out of me!

 

[All Else Failed]

Interesting choice for you. Excellent weapon, but an interesting choice.

You have a dealer you're working with? How much did this one cost you, what else do you have, what kind of condition are they in, and can you drop me a good contact?

Why WWII Bolt action only? There are some fantastic WWII guns out there that aren't bolt operated. May be more.

I learned something new today (which is rare when it comes to WWII). I didn't know the SS marked their weapons. I'm going to have to dig for some good pics now. :applause:

My father. The ones with the rare markings are VERY hard to find, but some small batches pop up once in a while. It might cost me around $350 last time I checked.


Meh, Idk, I always liked the bolt actions. Mostly because they are the most abundant. But my father has come across some Lugers as well.