Group Objects To Nativity Scene At Arkansas Capitol

[Tim]

the wedding photos i posted were at a pagan wedding,and im a christian ,so you wouldnt be run out of my town.
my baptism had more wiccans there than shropshire had ever seen.
all belief systems are relevant

Yes, they ALL are relevant. But I would prefer to have my government support all religious freedoms while not endorsing any. There is no good reason why they should have any religious displays... Leave that to the individual and the community to celebrate their faiths.

My only point is that there is always an outcry in this country when ever someone challenges a government/Christ affiliation... but they would be the first to scream at the top of their lungs if it wasn't their religion being displayed. So I was using Pagans and Wiccans as an example of "accepted" intolerance by other religions.

My point still stands, if you open the door to one, you must open it for all....

 

[IntruderLS1]

Christmas is not a christian holiday. The Romans simply picked the 25th of December to squash the pagan festival of [SIZE=-1]Saturnalius, to make them convert easier. Historians pretty much agree on that Christ (if he existed) was born months before, maybe in march or April. [/SIZE]

How does that make Christmas not a Christian holiday? It is the day that Billions of Christians have used to celebrate the birth of the Savior. The date is not important, as the Bible doesn't tell us to celebrate it at all. We do so out of respect and thanksgiving. December 25th IS a Christian holiday. If others wish to use the same day for similar functions, more power to them, but that does not detract from what we choose. If we chose a date that was already 'reserved' for other practices, that doesn't change one iota of what we are celebrating.

Yes, they ALL are relevant. But I would prefer to have my government support all religious freedoms while not endorsing any. There is no good reason why they should have any religious displays... Leave that to the individual and the community to celebrate their faiths.

My only point is that there is always an outcry in this country when ever someone challenges a government/Christ affiliation... but they would be the first to scream at the top of their lungs if it wasn't their religion being displayed. So I was using Pagans and Wiccans as an example of "accepted" intolerance by other religions.

My point still stands, if you open the door to one, you must open it for all....

That sounds great Tim, but what of cultural identity that has a history in this country?

I find it interesting that we are forced into a PC world of accepting other cultures for what they are, but we MUST turn our back on our own. I simply don't understand that. Like it or not, Christmas is a Christian tradition in this country that has always been. Why must we give it up in order to not offend a hyper minority? It is ludicrous IMHO.

 

[IntruderLS1]

This Is A Christian Nation Tim

We Were Founded On Baby Jesus.

If You Don't Like It Then Git Owt!!!!!!111!!1

Rep!!!!

:24::24::24:

 

[skyblue]

That sounds great Tim, but what of cultural identity that has a history in this country?

I find it interesting that we are forced into a PC world of accepting other cultures for what they are, but we MUST turn our back on our own. I simply don't understand that. Like it or not, Christmas is a Christian tradition in this country that has always been. Why must we give it up in order to not offend a hyper minority? It is ludicrous IMHO.

well said......repped

you should try living here.........PC's gone crazy

 

[debbie t]

hasnt it just????

 

[skyblue]

no....i mean my PC.........since i went wireless

 

[debbie t]

:clap
come back scores
juggler 4 debbie t 1 and now skyblue 1

any way back to topic before bums get smacked

 

[All Else Failed]

How does that make Christmas not a Christian holiday? It is the day that Billions of Christians have used to celebrate the birth of the Savior. The date is not important, as the Bible doesn't tell us to celebrate it at all. We do so out of respect and thanksgiving. December 25th IS a Christian holiday. If others wish to use the same day for similar functions, more power to them, but that does not detract from what we choose. If we chose a date that was already 'reserved' for other practices, that doesn't change one iota of what we are celebrating.



That sounds great Tim, but what of cultural identity that has a history in this country?

I find it interesting that we are forced into a PC world of accepting other cultures for what they are, but we MUST turn our back on our own. I simply don't understand that. Like it or not, Christmas is a Christian tradition in this country that has always been. Why must we give it up in order to not offend a hyper minority? It is ludicrous IMHO.

Except they stand by the saying of "the day Christ was born". Which is a lie.


This isn't "PC" crap, its a dispute in law. You can't have religious things on PUBLIC property. Even if the majority of the country is "Christian". The government is a secular entity, it was intentionally made that way.

 

[IntruderLS1]

Except they stand by the saying of "the day Christ was born". Which is a lie.


This isn't "PC" crap, its a dispute in law. You can't have religious things on PUBLIC property. Even if the majority of the country is "Christian". The government is a secular entity, it was intentionally made that way.

LOL It isn't a "LIE." haha.

Nobody knows what the actual day is. Most educated Christians acknowledge that fact. But instead of just tossing up our hands and saying "Oh well, guess we'll never know," we use the 25th of December as a day of remembrance of the birth of Christ.

What are your feelings about the 4th of July?

 

[Dana]

I say let it be... I may not follow a set religion but who am I to knock tradition?

 

[Dana]

Look at it this way for you that are having a boner over this... Chalk it up to folklore...

 

[Pudding Time]

I was joking.

The yule tree is pretty much a universal sign that many cultures use to symbolize the NEW YEAR. It has nothing to do with religion, and therefore its ok. BUT, when you start putting blatant religious scenes on public property, which shouldn't be done, then you start to make it everyone's business, since the public isn't under one religion/culture.

There's nothing wrong with public religious expression. Infact, it's a right. The 1st Amendment states:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

There is no law being made in respect of Christianity. They are just exercising both their rights to:

• Free exercise of an established religeon
• Freedom of speech

I don't however, agree with the exact location of the Nativity Scene theatrics. The State Capitol is a government building and there should be no free exercise of any establishment, religious or not, at a government location. This is just my opinion though.

 

[All Else Failed]

There's nothing wrong with public religious expression. Infact, it's a right. The 1st Amendment states:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

There is no law being made in respect of Christianity. They are just exercising both their rights to:

• Free exercise of an established religeon
• Freedom of speech

I don't however, agree with the exact location of the Nativity Scene theatrics. The State Capitol is a government building and there should be no free exercise of any establishment, religious or not, at a government location. This is just my opinion though.

Yeah, they can show it publically on their own property, not public property.

 

[All Else Failed]

LOL It isn't a "LIE." haha.

Nobody knows what the actual day is. Most educated Christians acknowledge that fact. But instead of just tossing up our hands and saying "Oh well, guess we'll never know," we use the 25th of December as a day of remembrance of the birth of Christ.

What are your feelings about the 4th of July?

If I had a song written about me, that stated that I was born on the 12th of August, when I was really not, and it was put into song and pretty much "historically accepted fact" to people who do not know any better, then yes, that would be a massive lie to say I was born on the 12th of August.

 

[hubersrj]

Where in the contitution does it say that there shall be no public displays of religious origin on public land?

 

[All Else Failed]

Where in the contitution does it say that there shall be no public displays of religious origin on public land?

If the public property is owned by any form of government, such as the state, they cannot endorse any one religion.

 

[hubersrj]

They weren't, they were simply putting on a display for the season that is commonly accepted by the locals. A group from out of state has no right to say what is legal or illegal when it comes to one of the other 49 states.

 

[All Else Failed]

They weren't, they were simply putting on a display for the season that is commonly accepted by the locals. A group from out of state has no right to say what is legal or illegal when it comes to one of the other 49 states.

was it on state owned property, though?

 

[Breath]

Separation of Church and State. That's what it's called now. I believe the concept originates from the First Amendment.

 

[hubersrj]

was it on state owned property, though?

So?

Is there a law in the land that states specifically that you cannot put up holiday displays? Seeing as the vast majority of this nation does claim to be some sort of Christian denomination, why not let this occur? It's celebrating "the reason for the season", or so the billboards tell me.

Now, if the local government actually block Jewish, Hindu, Muslim or whatever displays when the request is put forward to do so, then they would be supporting one religion over another and yes, you would be correct in saying that they are "promoting one religion over another"