I refuse to resort to your borish ways. You don't know how to debate an issue doll, all you know how to do is put others down. That's ok though cause I can see right through you..........you're afraid and you need Jesus in your life. Well, all you gotta do is ask .....God bless you.
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I refuse to resort to your borish ways. You don't know how to debate an issue doll, all you know how to do is put others down. That's ok though cause I can see right through you..........you're afraid and you need Jesus in your life. Well, all you gotta do is ask .....God bless you.
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Well said. :nod:
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I would say yours was a knee jerk reaction because you could not refute the fact that adults should not believe in fantasy and magic. I would then pity your poor thinking.
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In a strange way...I'm going to take that as a compliment
That's how I meant it.
True but most people only believe in what they condone. To do otherwise would be to believe in an evil God. That is something hardly anyone does. If someone condones torture then he may be pretty on the outside but he is ugly on the inside. This is why so much ugliness was seen in the church during the dark ages and why ugliness is still seen today in fundamentalism.
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Traditional hell is a place of torture. The civilized modern view is hell is simply separation from God.
So, according to your way of thinking, athiests are all in Hell already?? I am a big believer in modernization, but there are just some things that just can't be modernized.
That's how I meant it.
True but most people only believe in what they condone. To do otherwise would be to believe in an evil God. That is something hardly anyone does. If someone condones torture then he may be pretty on the outside but he is ugly on the inside. This is why so much ugliness was seen in the church during the dark ages and why ugliness is still seen today in fundamentalism.
God doesn't rule Hell, unfortunately He doesn't even rule this world, right now it's all being ruled by another being. A being who's fighting to win.......God is asking us to trust in Him and when we do we are promised a home with Him in Heaven. A home where torture is NOT condoned and a place where all of our unanswered questions will become answered. The ugliness you speak of has nothing to do with God, He doesn't like the fact that it exists any more than we do. Hell is inevitable, God is offering us an alternative.....I, for one, am thankful.
It's not my way of thinking. I don't believe in heaven or hell. I'm just saying people who believe that it is proper for those who believe differently from them to be tortured are ugly on the inside. The doctrine of torturing unbelievers is a horrible doctrine. It was created by evil men and is an embarrassment to the church, at least to the churches attended by good people. The better churches have redefined hell as either separation from God or annihilation. Although I question whether anyone can love humanity and maintain a belief in any kind of hell.
Churches are just fancy buildings run by men and women who think they're better than anybody else and who are convinced that just by attending every sunday they've already paved their way to heaven....but I beg to differ. I don't believe that it's proper to torture people, I think it's sick and disturbed, but that doesn't mean that hell doesn't exist sweetheart it just means that something out there exists that we have every right to despise and fear....welcome to the real world..lol. I do love humanity, and I believe that hell exists, fortunately I've never been there but I can assume that it's not a nice place. God, through Jesus Christ, is offering all of us an alternative, He's not bartering with us or threatening us..He didn't create Hell...His own son sacrificed Himself in order to give us that option, I, for one, have accepted.
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I does mean though that you do not mind following the sick and disturbed mind that created it.
Hmm.
The same could have been said by Hitler and Stalin's followers.
Are you sure you said what you wanted to say?
If you did then----
Better to shovel coal in hell than to spend eternity watching friends, neighbors and our children in torture and flame forever.
Only a sick mind would conceive of such a situation or wish it upon anyone. That is why God would not do such because then, heaven would be hell.
If those in heaven did not go insane then they could not have once been human or good.
You should think of hell just a bit and recognize that God would not create such an immoral construct. Lose your barbaric tribal mentality. We are in 2010, not 110.
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Your beliefs tell me nothing about what happens when we die. (Neuroscience tells me about that.) But a person's beliefs tell me a lot about the person. For example, some people believe that when babies die they go to hell and are tortured for all eternity because they weren't saved. This, of course, tells me nothing about what really happens. It does tell me a lot about the person who believes this. This person may wrap herself up in a pretty package of feigned love but inside she is ugly.
You have a daughter. The day you tell me you believe your daughter is going to be tortured for all eternity will be the day I question your love for your daughter. Now expand that to all of humanity and you will understand true love of humanity.
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You act as if I made the whole thing up and that all I have to do is say that I don't believe in it and Hell will vanish....'poof'. Like I said, my belief in God, Heaven and Hell has nothing to do with their actual existance, they don't exist because I believe, it's more like the other way around. I do have a daughter and she believes in God as much as I do........as far as babies going to Hell...wow, I've never said that...I've never said it because I don't believe it.
How do I get you to understand that God has nothing to do with Hell? Satan runs Hell just like he runs this world we live in.....that's why it's now in total chaos. Hell exists because Satan does and he's been working so hard to mark his territory, to win....and if we're not careful, he will. But he won't win over me, or the ones that I love........because we plan on going to a better place. I can believe in Hell and still love and respect all of humanity....in fact, I think that it goes hand in hand with believing in God....but it's more than that, my faith in humanity keeps me going, sometimes the light can dim, but I'm only human, I'm not as strong as perhaps I should be but I do my best and that's all that He asks of me.
Omg you are too funny:24:
True. Your beliefs or mine have nothing to do with what actually exists. But your beliefs have everything to do with you. If you think it is right to torture people who believe differently than you then you are evil. If you think it is wrong but God does it anyway then you believe God is evil. If you think it is wrong but God can't prevent it then you believe God is impotent. This doesn't mean God is evil or impotent, only that you believe he is.
This tells me you don't believe it is right to torture babies. That's good. I wish you felt the same about adults.
I don't believe God or hell exist. Anyway, your beliefs tell me nothing about God. What you believe tells me about you.
Are you serious?!? I just told you that I don't believe that it's right, I just believe that it's so....know the difference? I could tell you that I disbelieve it til the cows come home, but it wouldn't change a thing. You're right, you and I believe differently......and just like my ability to believe gives you some insight into my character, your disability to believe gives me an insight into yours....it works both ways, right?
Once again....GOD DOESNT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!! ...lol...please at least read my posts before you reply to them.
I'm not convinced that you think it's wrong. Perhaps I can explain why if you can answer a question. You believe Satan tortures adults but you don't believe he tortures babies. Why doesn't Satan torture babies?
Personally I think they're just trying to wind you up, best to ignore them :thumbup
Not at all. I'm just expressing my belief that the fundamentalist view of hell shows a contempt for humanity. Apparently I'm not doing a very good job considering I'm coming across as simply trying to provoke Sadie. My comments are not meant to be anti-Christian. There are many Christians who have civilized their view of hell for the very reasons I am pointing out in this thread.
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