God In Public Schools

[Accountable]

My public school and high school managed to do it just fine, if we raised questions about the religion that strayed from the lesson.. our teacher told us where to get further information on the subject.

That's the point I'm trying to make. It can't be avoided completely. It's not even realistic to try.

To those who are saying they want to ban every thought and syllable hinting at eeeeeevil religion: Why don't we adjust the rhetoric to, say, banning proselytizing. I think we can all agree to that.

 

[BornReady]

To those who are saying they want to ban every thought and syllable hinting at eeeeeevil religion: Why don't we adjust the rhetoric to, say, banning proselytizing.

I would hope even people who think religion is good are in favor of the separation of church and state.

I don't see a problem with teachers discussing the effect various religions have had on society and history as long as an objective and rational approach is taken. The problem comes when teachers proselytize or preach or, as Peter said, when students are asked to make a profession of belief, such as the pledge of allegiance.

I like what Thornless had to say on the matter.

Religion should be personal and found through self exploration.
Right there with masturbation.

:thumbup

 

[Minor Axis]

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Disturbing to see it...

If God is mentioned at all in school, it should be in the most abstract of terms. Most Christians who want it, are convinced their religion is the true one so it's good as far as they are concerned. It's amusing to think about what happens the day the school board is taken over by muslims. Then how would they feel about religion in school?

 

[BornReady]

It's amusing to think about what happens the day the school board is taken over by muslims. Then how would they feel about religion in school?

Here's some Wiki religious statistics for the United States (Religion in the United States).

[FONT=Courier New]                           1990      2001      2008

Christianity              86.2%     76.7%     76.0%
Judaism                    1.8%      1.4%      1.2%
Eastern religions          0.4%      1.0%      0.9%
Islam                      0.3%      0.5%      0.6%
New religious movements    0.7%      0.9%      1.2%
Nonreligious               8.2%     14.2%     15.0%
[/FONT]

With any luck, the nonreligious will be the majority in the United States before much longer. The nonreligious are mostly believers in God. It's just their beliefs are personal and they don't affiliate with any particular religion.

 

[Thornless]

Here's some Wiki religious statistics for the United States (Religion in the United States).

[FONT=Courier New]                           1990      2001      2008

Christianity              86.2%     76.7%     76.0%
Judaism                    1.8%      1.4%      1.2%
Eastern religions          0.4%      1.0%      0.9%
Islam                      0.3%      0.5%      0.6%
New religious movements    0.7%      0.9%      1.2%
Nonreligious               8.2%     14.2%     15.0%
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With any luck, the nonreligious will be the majority in the United States before much longer. The nonreligious are mostly believers in God. It's just their beliefs are personal and they don't affiliate with any particular religion.

I can see that.

 

[Dana]

I'm glad there are 14% of Americans like me =)

 

[Codrus]

I'm glad there are 14% of Americans like me =)

*note to self,...donate to planned parenthood :24:

 

[pjbleek]

http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/art...s_religion_curriculum/?p1=Well_Magazine_links

this is the article on the kids visiting the Mosque...

 

[pjbleek]

I'm glad there are 14% of Americans like me =)

that data is ten years old....


:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap

 

[Tanya1989]

I went to two strict catholic schools, the first one was a convent run school. It hasn't done me any harm and I've still come out with my own beliefs at the end

 

[itsmeJonB]

I think god could afford to go to private school if he wanted to
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[Minor Axis]

http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/art...s_religion_curriculum/?p1=Well_Magazine_links

this is the article on the kids visiting the Mosque...

My GOD, they trying to turn these kids!!

 

[Devin]

I'm cool and all with people having their religions to themselves and whatnot, but all people who are in a religion believe in a God, no?

It frustrates me that I can no longer say the Pledge of Allegiance at school, just because the word "God" is mentioned in it, and not "Allah" or any other variation.

 

[BleedingBull]

I think its got ridiculous how at the school near me the kids cant put on a traditional christmas play for fear of offending muslims, well fuck that shit they can always go to a ,muslim school if the cultures they "adopted" offends them that much. Goes both ways, and I dont have issues with religion been taught just the politically correct garbage that follows it.

 

[BornReady]

It frustrates me that I can no longer say the Pledge of Allegiance at school, just because the word "God" is mentioned in it, and not "Allah" or any other variation.

Muslims don't have a problem with using the name "God". They use it interchangeably with Allah. Two words with the same meaning. But children who do not have a belief in God should not be pressured to profess one. Sure there are not many children in that category. But numbers shouldn't enter the equation when it comes to treating others with respect.

The solution is simple. Take the words "under God" out of the pledge. They weren't in the original pledge (added in 1954) and belief in God has nothing to do with loyalty to your country at least in the USA as it was meant to be.

 

[darkcgi]

i think its an all or nothing issue
cant be bias

 

[darkcgi]

there is a definit difference between learning about religion and practicing religion

 

[tutter]

If religion was so big to some people, why would they even be at school? If your only purpose to to praise God or whatever...

 

[Minor Axis]

If religion was so big to some people, why would they even be at school? If your only purpose to to praise God or whatever...

Church is for religious indoctrination. Traditionally school is for other learning. Note, it is the religious right insisting that not only do the practitioners of their religion get indoctrinated, but everyone at public school. The caveat would have to be that their view of religion is taught or most likely they would be against it. It's a laughable attempt to insert your beliefs into the general populace while rejecting others beliefs. College does have religion courses and I would have no problem if secondary education included a history of religion type of course that introduces students to all religions, but makes no claims about the certainty of a specific God.

 

[Accountable]

Church is for religious indoctrination. Traditionally school is for other learning. Note, it is the religious right insisting that not only do the practitioners of their religion get indoctrinated, but everyone at public school. The caveat would have to be that their view of religion is taught or most likely they would be against it. It's a laughable attempt to insert your beliefs into the general populace while rejecting others beliefs. College does have religion courses and I would have no problem if secondary education included a history of religion type of course that introduces students to all religions, but makes no claims about the certainty of a specific God.

Agreed. It pisses me off when the radical religious and anti-religious ignore that the Constitution has set the rules on government and religion in this country. Government can neither control nor ban religion, and religion can't control government.