God cannot know everything. Carnal love, reproduction or sex.

[Greatest I am]

God cannot know everything. Carnal love, reproduction or sex.

Believers are constantly saying impossible things of God. They make many definitive statement of God’s attribute while claiming that he is unfathomable, unknowable, immutable and works in mysterious ways. These are clear contradictions and un-provable truths that no judge could or would accept. Yet believers think the atheist should just swallow these lies whole. And when atheists do not, believers get into their condescending mode; treat the non-believer like a child; while it is believers themselves who are action in a non-adult way, ---- led by fantasy, ------- when atheists will just not accept something unproven as truth.

Whenever the discussions of God get into explaining his irrational, immoral or strange attributes, believers deny it through evasion. They do so by hiding behind some evasive statement or other. These include silly irrational or unknowable adjectives and phrases like; God works in mysterious ways; God can do whatever he wants; God owns us; God does not have to follow his laws because they are for man and not himself; God’s action may look immoral but it is because he knows so much more than we do. Discussion end with the believer chanting one of these mantras of self-deception. Almost like a parent telling his child that it is that way because it is that way and expecting the child to accept this condescending statement and evasive lie. Believers are not honest enough to just say, I don’t know.

Anyone with experience in debated with believers expects these yet they are not applicable or relevant to moral issues. Regardless, believers use them to justify God’s immoral action and to explain away attributes that are impossible to apply to God.

God is not corporeal. He is immaterial. He cannot reproduce true. He cannot have sex. He cannot know the effects on our psyches from chemical reactions that trigger human sexual activity and desire.

Knowing this, any moral person will know that God should not dictate to man how to handle sexual matters. God cannot know what the feelings and emotions are that drive sex in man and thus it is immoral for him to demand that we do as he wishes. Because of this, he also has no right to punish man for ignoring his unlearned dictates of issues that he himself cannot possibly fathom.

There are likely many things that God cannot know. I have chosen three that I think are obvious. Carnal love, reproduction and the emotions and physical feelings that go with sex.

Do you agree?

Regards
DL

 

[doombug]

hahaha! Of course I disagree GIA but you have a very interesting way of looking at things. I'm interested to see where this thread leads and hope others will participate. From the closed minded view that many share here I don't see this thread going far but who knows.

 

[Codrus]

apparently god is capable of Agamogenisis....so god must be a Prokaryote

 

[BornReady]

If there is a God I very much doubt he knows everything. Think about it. I mean knowing everything is unfathomable. If you were to write down everything would you ever be done writing? If the claim that God knows everything isn't wishful thinking then I don't know what is.

 

[Kyle B]

The thing is, if the Christian God is all knowing, then he does know and understand. Nonetheless, he lays down a moral code that people have to use lots of self control and such in order to live up to. Thus, ya gotta work hard to be good. I would think that if a God created people, he would understand their emotions and desires, seeing that he created their essence.

 

[doombug]

The thing is, if the Christian God is all knowing, then he does know and understand. Nonetheless, he lays down a moral code that people have to use lots of self control and such in order to live up to. Thus, ya gotta work hard to be good. I would think that if a God created people, he would understand their emotions and desires, seeing that he created their essence.

Exactly. Saying God cannot know these things is stretching a bit. It is going on assumption only.

 

[Minor Axis]

God cannot know everything. Carnal love, reproduction or sex.

I went back are reread your first post. For an entity to possess the qualities for humans to define it as God, it is expected to know everything and be able to control everything in our existence if it wanted to. If it can't do that, well then, it's something that might be vastly powerful, maybe even more powerful than we can imagine, but it would not live up to our God standard. Of course maybe it does not care to know or concern itself with everything.

 

[CityGirl]

God cannot know everything. Carnal love, reproduction or sex. God is not corporeal. He is immaterial. He cannot reproduce true.

(but, if he exists, he can create and he can create the reproductive process.)

He cannot have sex.

(cannot or chooses not to? Hasn't found the right Goddess??? Who knows?)

He cannot know the effects on our psyches from chemical reactions that trigger human sexual activity and desire.

Knowing this, any moral person will know that God should not dictate to man how to handle sexual matters. God cannot know what the feelings and emotions are that drive sex in man and thus it is immoral for him to demand that we do as he wishes. Because of this, he also has no right to punish man for ignoring his unlearned dictates of issues that he himself cannot possibly fathom.There are likely many things that God cannot know. I have chosen three that I think are obvious. Carnal love, reproduction and the emotions and physical feelings that go with sex.Do you agree?RegardsDL

I disagree. If there is a God and if said God created living things and set up the programming, then said God would fully understand the functioning of it's creation down to the micro-cellular level. If humans, over the course of time, have learned the functions of the human body... it's chemical reactions that cause cellular responses at the most microscopic level then surely the creator with the original blue print has full understanding of these complicated innerworkings.

Believers are scorned for their beliefs because they attach human emotions, human traits to God and so it appears God is created in the image of man rather than man being created in the image of God and DL, I think in many of your posts, you point out that God is evidently by man's arguments, created in man's image and yet here, you maintain that God " cannot know the effects on our psyches from chemical reactions that trigger human sexual activity and desire." If God is created in man's image, then it stands to reason he would know these things but, if man is created in the image of God, who is to say that said God would not share with his creation certain attributes already known to him? Who of us as parents doesn't hope to pass those traits of our own, that we deem to be good, on to our children?

To understand something doesn't necessarily require intimate knowledge. Head knowledge and experience knowledge are not the same as anyone experiencing an orgasm can tell you. But you don't have to experience it to understand how it works and to understand that it must be a helluva good feeling. God may have no capacity for sensing the feelings and emotions with which his creation responds to certain stimulus he created but I have no doubt, if he exists, he understands them and is pleased to have provided a source of great pleasure for his creation.

In regards to punishment, I can't speak to a potential eternal condemnation for man's exercising his sexuality but I do know that there are ramifications for failure to exercise proper restraint...i.e. unwanted pregnancies, STDs, relationship difficulties. Did God put up these consequences and does it matter? If we have the capacity to understand the power of human emotion and especially sexual emotion, then don't we have the responsibility to harness and control that power so that we avoid the negative consequences of letting that power have full reign?

Interesting discussion. Thanks.

 

[Peter Parka]

If there is an almightly god (which I doubt) I wonder how he could possible understand people with self worth issues leading to depression? :humm:

 

[CityGirl]

If there is an almightly god (which I doubt) I wonder how he could possible understand people with self worth issues leading to depression? :humm:

Peter, You made me think of something Joe Bageant wrote in his book "Rainbow Pie"

In the eyes of God, we are all born unworthy pieces of shit of His own making and design. Yet strive for perfection, we must. pg 120-121

 

[Codrus]

If there is an almightly god (which I doubt) I wonder how he could possible understand people with self worth issues leading to depression? :humm:

Maybe he just doesn't give a Shit...err give a Cod-damn

 

[davii]

I have a strange sense of Deja Vu going on...

 

[Codrus]

I have a strange sense of Deja Vu going on...

its actually Vuja De...the feeling that this has never happened before:willy_nilly:

 

[davii]

its actually Vuja De...the feeling that this has never happened before:willy_nilly:

Ok, but do I still exist? I was gonna make coffee n' toast, but don't want to if I'm a figment of my own imagination!

 

[Tuffdisc]

Once again, GIA sets his tone in a very negative way.

If God created this earth, space and everything else I care to mention, I think that God does know everything.. If things are that negative that GIA has to make every thread so negative, why the heck does GIA bother at all?

 

[Minor Axis]

If there is an almightly god (which I doubt) I wonder how he could possible understand people with self worth issues leading to depression? :humm:

Because it would know everything, silly.

The next question I can see being asked is why would he design people like this? Well it's either the challenge of being human God has created *or* to fall back on my extensive gaming experience, we are just biological creatures that have evolved in a giant sandbox galaxy. Could a god have created this situation? By all means. Throw some goo into the test tube and see what develops. Maybe throw some souls at the life that develops. And could it be something so complex and beyond our understanding? That too.

 

[Greatest I am]

The thing is, if the Christian God is all knowing, then he does know and understand. Nonetheless, he lays down a moral code that people have to use lots of self control and such in order to live up to. Thus, ya gotta work hard to be good. I would think that if a God created people, he would understand their emotions and desires, seeing that he created their essence.

Yes and he would know not to condemn any of us.
It is the cheap tribalism of Christianity and Islam that will kill them.
Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

I went back are reread your first post. For an entity to possess the qualities for humans to define it as God, it is expected to know everything and be able to control everything in our existence if it wanted to. If it can't do that, well then, it's something that might be vastly powerful, maybe even more powerful than we can imagine, but it would not live up to our God standard. Of course maybe it does not care to know or concern itself with everything.

Whichever way, believers should get their thoughts and laws off of human sexuality.

A sexless God cannot judge sexual creatures.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

Once again, GIA sets his tone in a very negative way.

If God created this earth, space and everything else I care to mention, I think that God does know everything.. If things are that negative that GIA has to make every thread so negative, why the heck does GIA bother at all?

My dear boy, just to befuddle those who will ask that question.
Therein lies wisdom.

Regards
DL

 

[Tuffdisc]

My dear boy, just to befuddle those who will ask that question.
Therein lies wisdom.

Regards
DL

Whoa! I thought I was an adult