I think gay marriage and polygamy are very different issues. However, looking at the issue of polygamy from a legal standpoint, if polygamy were allowed it would make things like inheritance of assets a lot more difficult to manage (for the lawyers and the individuals involved) as each case would have to be looked at assessed individually. Whereas laws need to be clear cut so that they can be applied to all cases e.g all marriages.
Gay marriage allowed and polygamy not - why?
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They both go outside of DOMA ..not sure if it was recently repealed. .but it stated a marriage was to be between a man and wife.
Our hero Bama made a public announcement some time back that he would not enforce it. ..which should have been grounds for impeachment but that would be a thread within itself.
PrettiMamita
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I could see in some situations where polygamy would be more of an issue. I know some who usually bring up the issues of taxes and claiming spouses and kids and how that would work. Regardless of such issues I still think people should be able to marry whoever they choose if that person wants to marry more than one, should be allowed. As long as all parties are happy that's all that should matter. It's sad government wants to control lives and you have to worry about issues like you mentioned.
MakingCents
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The main issue with polygamy in my opinion is what rights does what extra wife have. If the husband is on his death bed, WHO is the next of kin? Who decides if lifesaving measures are taken? Who decides if organs are donated, or if surgery is warranted. Who is the beneficiary on the life insurance, who does the insurance company have to provide medical care for (every wife?) etc.
Polygamy (taking the moral issues out of it) is an entirely different can of worms than gay marriage. What gays want are the exct same rights that heterosexuals have. The right to marry ONE partner.
Polygamy (taking the moral issues out of it) is an entirely different can of worms than gay marriage. What gays want are the exct same rights that heterosexuals have. The right to marry ONE partner.
Gays already have the right to marry one partner.
No one is preventing them from doing such.
However the other person has to be qualified...cant be related..not underage and of the proper gender and other restrictions as well.
To allow gay marriage opens the gate for mother and son marriages.
Also the age requirement should be tossed out as well.
Why cant the gays just he happy with civil unions?
No one is preventing them from doing such.
However the other person has to be qualified...cant be related..not underage and of the proper gender and other restrictions as well.
To allow gay marriage opens the gate for mother and son marriages.
Also the age requirement should be tossed out as well.
Why cant the gays just he happy with civil unions?
MakingCents
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Because a civil union doesn't give you crucial rights. Try telling a gay man that has been in a civil union with his partner for 50 years that he doesnt get to decide when the doctors pull the plug...
Why not scrap marriage
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Marriage is essentially a slave contract and shoukd be scrapped.
It's a useful contract that legally binds financial responsibilities on several levels.
To children, to marriage partners and provides logic to distribution of estates ( inheritance ).
Don't like marriage, shack up.
But be careful where you do it in the US. There are still states where common law marriage still exists.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common-law_marriage_in_the_United_States
Marriage is neither a right nor a privilege. It is a Contract.
As a Muslim I don't see any harm in polygamy (BTW I can take as many as 4 wives! Yoohooo!!) but there are certain conditions to be met with and those conditions are beyond me or an ordinary Muslim. Therefore, a very very few Muslim men would take 4 wives at a time but some do take 2 and are generally not so happy. (It's an ordeal to keep two women happy at a time for lack of justice between them...).
I think it is discrimination against men to ban polygamy. By Nature 'females' are 'takers' or 'recessive' (or passive) while 'men' are 'givers' (donors)or 'active'. A Muslim husband is fully responsible for the complete maintenance, upkeep , safety and srcutity and welfare of his wife or wives and their children.
I don't think this is possible in the advanced world where women too are put to hard work to contribute to their husband's income and their husbands are not oftenly seen to accept their complete maintenance and welfare. Why? Because men and women in advanced countries are left to the 'mercy' of their states......Muslims observe a familial system which is self-insuring, perhaps somewhat like the Italians or Chinese?
Then why? Mormons too allow polygamy. Women may find it hard but they should not ignore the 'conditions' which are laid on men to take more than one.
As a Muslim I don't see any harm in polygamy (BTW I can take as many as 4 wives! Yoohooo!!) but there are certain conditions to be met with and those conditions are beyond me or an ordinary Muslim. Therefore, a very very few Muslim men would take 4 wives at a time but some do take 2 and are generally not so happy. (It's an ordeal to keep two women happy at a time for lack of justice between them...).
I think it is discrimination against men to ban polygamy. By Nature 'females' are 'takers' or 'recessive' (or passive) while 'men' are 'givers' (donors)or 'active'. A Muslim husband is fully responsible for the complete maintenance, upkeep , safety and srcutity and welfare of his wife or wives and their children.
I don't think this is possible in the advanced world where women too are put to hard work to contribute to their husband's income and their husbands are not oftenly seen to accept their complete maintenance and welfare. Why? Because men and women in advanced countries are left to the 'mercy' of their states......Muslims observe a familial system which is self-insuring, perhaps somewhat like the Italians or Chinese?
Then why? Mormons too allow polygamy. Women may find it hard but they should not ignore the 'conditions' which are laid on men to take more than one.
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Alien Allen
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the rights of the wives would be up to the people involved. no different than having a contract before marrying. a prenup.
i disagree on there being a difference. it should boil down to what the people involved want and not what the govt wants. If the relations between gays are nobodys business then the same should apply to polygamists.
Short simple and to the point
But does it also go both ways....where the woman can have multiple husbands?
But either way..If I had 9 wives and they each had 9 husbands...whats the point?..not really marriage in the commitment sense.
Gay marriage is an insult to the institution of marriage or sexual relationship between man and woman. It would be better for gays to use vibrators and plastic dolls or even wank if they want to satisfy their darn urges.
The essential ingredient of polygamy among Muslims is that all wives have to be equally treated and all have the same 'title'. Rest of the things depend on 'mutual understanding''......Therefor if a Muslim cannot afford to comply with those mandatory conditions he should restrict hisself to one wife only.
Insurance is 'haraam', so is 'Usury' in Islam, they say. Muslims will ' first tie up their camel and then entrust all to Allah''! As for 'medical' they do not rely on state support and it's family support they get in case of illness or peril. ( this is similar to Italian and Chinese way!)
Polygamy has another biological reason to be valid.
A female releases a few eggs only once a month whereas a male releases millions of sperms in one shot almost every while. Thus one 'male' is a good 'donor' of genetic shots to many females ( just like lions do). Doesn't this sounds good for raising an 'army' of your own in the shortest period of time? O these bloody Muslims!!
The essential ingredient of polygamy among Muslims is that all wives have to be equally treated and all have the same 'title'. Rest of the things depend on 'mutual understanding''......Therefor if a Muslim cannot afford to comply with those mandatory conditions he should restrict hisself to one wife only.
Insurance is 'haraam', so is 'Usury' in Islam, they say. Muslims will ' first tie up their camel and then entrust all to Allah''! As for 'medical' they do not rely on state support and it's family support they get in case of illness or peril. ( this is similar to Italian and Chinese way!)
Polygamy has another biological reason to be valid.
A female releases a few eggs only once a month whereas a male releases millions of sperms in one shot almost every while. Thus one 'male' is a good 'donor' of genetic shots to many females ( just like lions do). Doesn't this sounds good for raising an 'army' of your own in the shortest period of time? O these bloody Muslims!!
Wrong marriage is a sacred institution, it gives respect, dignity and title to a lady!!
It's already been established in this forum that your culture has issues with honor killing and abuse of women.
So?
You mean you beat and abuse all your wives equally?
And if honor killing ensues from a conflict with one, you kill them all?
It's rather obvious you give an element of favoritism or your nation would run out of females.
Are you running out of females?
I wonder what has given you a negative bent of mind?
We don't beat our women...don't force your filthy presumptions on me.
We love women.....and respect them. If we take 4 wives at a time we give them equal rights in full. It seldom happens that a Muslim man takes more than 2 wives at one time because it is very difficult to do them justice as per conditions laid down for that 'venture'.
If you think we have a dearth of females then please send us a consignment from your part of the world to mete out the shortage.
Some fools only pick faults in others....to their jaundiced eyes all seems 'yellow'.
mazHur.....your words are worthless.
It's already been shown in this forum, that your culture has issues with committing honor killings and abusing women and the latest revelation is the horrible abuse and killing of children.
Denial is all you offer.
But facts contradict you.
Why in the world should the forum believe you at this moment, that your culture treats all those in a multiple marriage as equals?
Your words are worthless.
Alien Allen
Froggy the Prick
Do you live a life of delusion Maz. Or are the periodic stories about women that are raped being stoned for allowing themselves to fall to the whims of a sick bastard that takes what he wants even if unwanted? I guess it is a right wing conspiracy about what we are told about some aspects of Sharia Law.
Either western media is telling lies or you have a twisted view of how to respectfully treat women. Me thinks you might be right that all women are treated equally. Except they are basically slaves to the whims of the male Muslim where Sharia Law rules the land. It would appear to those of us in the west.
Either western media is telling lies or you have a twisted view of how to respectfully treat women. Me thinks you might be right that all women are treated equally. Except they are basically slaves to the whims of the male Muslim where Sharia Law rules the land. It would appear to those of us in the west.
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