Gas Prices

[Peter Parka]

Wow! Strange forum he's chosen to post on if he gets pissed off if he gives someone a minor chuckle, Jesus!:unsure:

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

I do at least appreciate the concept that individuals are somewhat to blame rather than it always being about "big oil".

Here it is in a nutshell, I normally find that a vast majority of the people complaining about high gas prices, global warming, big oil this big oil that, the government is fucking us again, yada yada yada.

those folks are almost totally unwilling to live without most of the creature comforts that petroleum provides.

You know stupid things like:

Medications, plastics (that accounts for about a go-zillion things we use everyday), clothing, energy the list goes on and on.

Just saying....I agree we can do more to reduce the use......But maybe we all have to be willing to give up a few things.

 

[Tim]

Medications, plastics (that accounts for about a go-zillion things we use everyday), clothing, energy the list goes on and on.

Just saying....I agree we can do more to reduce the use......But maybe we all have to be willing to give up a few things.

We are giving up some things... like the Republican party this November. :24: That will be a start.


Then maybe we can actually put some real effort in alternative fuels.

 

[Minor Axis]

Funny how the price of everything is going up...except for houses...

Well, I'd call it Capitalism run amuk...

 

[Minor Axis]

Wow! Strange forum he's chosen to post on if he gets pissed off if he gives someone a minor chuckle, Jesus!:unsure:

I'm very impressed at how most people here can have a volatile controversial discussion but keep their cool. I salute you (all of you cool cats)! Of course it takes a bit of skill in text chat not to inflame the discussion with insults and personal attacks.

I used to hang out at an online location where unfortunately the moderator was a conniving meddling self richous, lying SOB who did not feel that people could have mature discussions without hating each other, so any contrary comment and you would be accused of hate and discontent and your post would disappear. No it was a not free-for-all forum like this one, but still you all have proved the contrary- these discussion can be conducted in a civil environment. :clap

Debating tip of the day: He/she who controls their temper usually wins the argument.

 

[Maulds]

We are giving up some things... like the Republican party this November. :24: That will be a start.


Then maybe we can actually put some real effort in alternative fuels.

Don't get your hopes up, on either count.

 

[IntruderLS1]

We are giving up some things... like the Republican party this November. :24: That will be a start.


Then maybe we can actually put some real effort in alternative fuels.

Did you hear that the big evil General Motors Corps. has developed a 150mpg vehicle they're going to start selling in 2010? Unlike its Japanese rivals, it even looks bad ass. Insert *USA* chant here.

Stupid big auto industry.... Always killing all us poor innocent humans that are forced to buy their products against our will.

 

[Tim]

Did you hear that the big evil General Motors Corps. has developed a 150mpg vehicle they're going to start selling in 2010? Unlike its Japanese rivals, it even looks bad ass. Insert *USA* chant here.

Stupid big auto industry.... Always killing all us poor innocent humans that are forced to buy their products against our will.

I think that's great. It's about time that big auto manufacturers give some options. But my argument isn't against corporations. Since they will slowly come around when it's profitable for them to do so. I just think we could be a lot further along in the quest for oil independence if the government helped push them in the right direction.

It IS in the best interest of this country to be independent from foreign oil, right?

Well the government could have helped the auto manufacturers along with incentives to do this. This would play right into the profitability problem of changing over or improving existing autos. If the government could spend a little effort/money on helping them with new technology and producing MUCH more efficient autos while taking the financial sting out of it, then we would be a lot further along today.

That would benefit ALL of us in the long run.

By radically reducing the oil dependency we have in this country, it would do several things...
1. Help reduce the price of goods/food
2. Increase our national security
3. Get us OUT of the middle east
4. Save us ALL at the pump
5. Create jobs

I see no downside to this at all... Money Well Invested.

 

[IntruderLS1]

By radically reducing the oil dependency we have in this country, it would do several things...
1. Help reduce the price of goods/food
2. Increase our national security
3. Get us OUT of the middle east
4. Save us ALL at the pump
5. Create jobs

I see no downside to this at all... Money Well Invested.

Indeed true. But for half the cost, time, and effort we could use our own natural resources and have each one of those benefits as well.

Is the U.S. lagging in financial contribution to alternate fuels? I'm not setting you up here, I just honestly don't know. :shrug:

 

[Big Eagle]

2 questions
electric cars- what powers them and were does it come from
converting energy is a waste of energy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
2nd
we have all the oil we need in the US (Alaska and Gulf)
Why aren't we drilling there and building more refinerys?

 

[Carthage]

I would just like to interject - I and my family have been hit really hard by the gas prices. The only time gas is used is if Mom is driving to work or from work to home, and that's about 10 miles. But in all objectiveness, it isn't really that bad here in the USA. In Paris, it's $10 a gallon.

 

[Carthage]

Well, I'd call it Capitalism run amuk...

Not true. Capitalism (TRUE capitalism) supports a Gold standard, and one day, replacing cash with gold, which will dramatically lower prices. Plus, it's kind of causally related that Capitalism leads to lower gas prices. Companies want to sell their oil, so they'll sell it a little lower then the other guy to turn in more customers and a higher profit (doesn't work right now because of the War and the crisis in the middle east fucking the market up, but once we've calmed Iraq and the Mid East down, the market will return to normal).

 

[GraceAbounds]

I would just like to interject - I and my family have been hit really hard by the gas prices. The only time gas is used is if Mom is driving to work or from work to home, and that's about 10 miles. But in all objectiveness, it isn't really that bad here in the USA. In Paris, it's $10 a gallon.

Cost of living is always relative. Just because it is $10 a gal in Paris doesn't mean a thing unless their cost of living is exactly the same as ours.

 

[Carthage]

Cost of living is always relative. Just because it is $10 a gal in Paris doesn't mean a thing unless their cost of living is exactly the same as ours.

It's more expensive.

 

[GraceAbounds]

It's more expensive.

Exactly - their cost of living is higher and their salaries are also higher.

 

[Tim]

Indeed true. But for half the cost, time, and effort we could use our own natural resources and have each one of those benefits as well.

Is the U.S. lagging in financial contribution to alternate fuels? I'm not setting you up here, I just honestly don't know. :shrug:

I'm not against drilling here at home, but it's a band-aid on the missing limb. I'm sure that Evan could shed more light on this topic for you...
Even if we were to approve drilling an Anwar today, we wouldn't get any quantity of oil for 7-8 years. And if you look at the amount of oil there, you would see that it's only 2 years worth at best. But who knows how much we would be using in 7-8 years. :dunno
It just doesn't seem to be a real solution to the problem. Should we drill other places? I think so, but we shouldn't use it as a solution.

As far as being behind the rest of the world in alternative fuel technology... Yep. We are letting the rest of the world get ahead of us on this. There are millions of jobs and trillions of dollars to be had in this. It's in everyones interest....

2 questions
electric cars- what powers them and were does it come from
converting energy is a waste of energy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
2nd
we have all the oil we need in the US (Alaska and Gulf)
Why aren't we drilling there and building more refinerys?

Solar, wind power, hydro electric, nuclear, coal, geothermal and even oil.

Converting energy is a waste of energy? So we are burning pure crude oil in our cars? Do you have any idea how much energy is required to make a gallon of gas? I think you would be surprised at how much energy is required to refine crude oil. Not to mention the waste by-products, toxic by-products created in the refining business. And the longer we use oil, the crappier it gets. Every year we are getting "dirtier" and "dirtier" oil from the ground. It's harder to refine and is loaded with all sorts of toxic chemicals...

 

[GraceAbounds]

I'm not against drilling here at home, but it's a band-aid on the missing limb. I'm sure that Evan could shed more light on this topic for you...
Even if we were to approve drilling an Anwar today, we wouldn't get any quantity of oil for 7-8 years. And if you look at the amount of oil there, you would see that it's only 2 years worth at best. But who knows how much we would be using in 7-8 years.
It just doesn't seem to be a real solution to the problem. Should we drill other places? I think so, but we shouldn't use it as a solution.

As far as being behind the rest of the world in alternative fuel technology... Yep. We are letting the rest of the world get ahead of us on this. There are millions of jobs and trillions of dollars to be had in this. It's in everyones interest....

Agree'd.

 

[sierrabravo]

I was happy when I heard that GM or Ford will be closing 3-4 large truck factories for making smaller vehicles.

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

2 questions
electric cars- what powers them and were does it come from
converting energy is a waste of energy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
2nd
we have all the oil we need in the US (Alaska and Gulf)
Why aren't we drilling there and building more refinerys?

1. Converting energy is how you produce....energy:unsure:

2. We are drilling in the Gulf.....I should know...I live close

3. Permitting and regulations in Alaska are insane, however I commend the Alaskan government for taking a stand to protect one of the true last frontiers, they just refuse to let anyone fuck the land up, and I admire them for it.

4. We don't need more refineries, that has really never been an issue.

In a nutshell, oil is part economics and part political, for about the last 15 years.....It has been politically driven and that's the last place you want your commodities being controlled, buy your government.

 

[dt3]

And if you look at the amount of oil there, you would see that it's only 2 years worth at best.

Like I said in another thread, that's true. But only if we use the ANWR oil to account for 100% of our energy use, which is unrealistic and asinine. I've seen projections that if we use the ANWR oil to supplement our other sources (5% of the total oil we use), it could last for over 30 years.

In a nutshell, oil is part economics and part political, for about the last 15 years.....It has been politically driven and that's the last place you want your commodities being controlled, buy your government.

There's one reason I can't really blame "Big Oil" for anything. They're just the middle man. They've been forced to buy oil overseas, and they can't control what they pay for a barrel. That's my simpleton view of it anyway :dunno