Falklands War

[Strauss]

Your points were on the mark.

But me thinks you miss the point.

The people here are a bit more delicate about the directions threads go.

If they feel offended that is not ours to judge.

Now in a couple years if I am still around I might then tell them to fuck off and get a life.

When the fuck did you become so sensitive, Richard Skull? "Not to judge", you're shitting me right? That's all we friggen do!

 

[gLing]

there are times and places where we can all have a good laugh and take the piss out of each others military prowess.

Why don't we start a vietnam thread and I can laugh at all the fucking losers who went over there and got there asses kicked, and laugh at the USA.

How little do people know of the history concerning the Vietnam conflict. The US completely smashed the north. The US won every battle in the Vietnam war and forced the communists to the bargaining table.
It wasn't until AFTER the US pulled out almost all of its forces that the north violated the treaty and overran the south. They knew the US would not return in force to throw them out because of the political turmoil the war caused back in the US.

Saying the US lost that war would be like saying the US lost Iraq if they wiped out 99% of the terrorists there and then went home, after which the terrorists return with little to no Americans around and claim victory. lol

So if you want to talk about military victories, the Vietnamese never won any against the US.

 

[Zorak]

How little do people know of the history concerning the Vietnam conflict. The US completely smashed the north. The US won every battle in the Vietnam war and forced the communists to the bargaining table.
It wasn't until AFTER the US pulled out almost all of its forces that the north violated the treaty and overran the south. They knew the US would not return in force to throw them out because of the political turmoil the war caused back in the US.

Saying the US lost that war would be like saying the US lost Iraq if they wiped out 99% of the terrorists there and then went home, after which the terrorists return with little to no Americans around and claim victory. lol

So if you want to talk about military victories, the Vietnamese never won any against the US.

lol.

What a fucking dream you live in.

 

[Mystic]

by passing all the shit posts of disrespect...

nice thread Peter... I lost a cousin in that war. Cheers to England!:thumbup

 

[dt3]

lol.

What a fucking dream you live in.

Actually she's right. Name one major Vietnamese tactical military victory in the war. You can't. There were none. Sure, they made a big PR splash with Tet, but lost everything they gained in a matter of weeks. They won the political front, but we won militarily.

 

[Alien Allen]

Actually she's right. Name one major Vietnamese tactical military victory in the war. You can't. There were none. Sure, they made a big PR splash with Tet, but lost everything they gained in a matter of weeks. They won the political front, but we won militarily.

TET was truly a strange deal.

We beat the crap out of the Vietnamese yet it was treated in the press as a catastrophe for us.

end of hijack and three cheers to all the military men and women :thumbup

 

[Fox Mulder]

Actually she's right. Name one major Vietnamese tactical military victory in the war. You can't. There were none. Sure, they made a big PR splash with Tet, but lost everything they gained in a matter of weeks. They won the political front, but we won militarily.

Of course she's right, but Vietnam is another excellent example of how easily people are manipulated by the media. If you polled people, more than half of them (probably 4/5ths) would say the US lost the Viet Nam war, which of course if you're truly educated on the subject you know that's not true (it also depends on how you define "lost" of course). The US had the military might, as gling pointed out, to crush the North Vietnames if they chose to actually win the war, but because of politics, they chose to give up. This same strategy of turning the public against a particular action has been employed by Al Queda and its sympathizers and aided and abetted by the American left--just like the Vietnam war.

BTW--I am not voicing an opinion on the merits of the war, just stating a fact which cannot be debated yet you will find people that will debate it (ignorantly I might add) simply because that's how they want it to be or that's what they've been told or read. Actually pretty amazing. And its why Hitler's main objective was to control the media because he knew when you control the media, you control public opinion. Most of Europe and Canada are completely controlled by the media yet they think they are independent thinkers LOL!!! It truly is amazing how ignorant people are about history.

 

[Fox Mulder]

by passing all the shit posts of disrespect...

Can you point to even one post that showed any disrespect to British troops? confused


That's rhetorical by the way!

 

[Fox Mulder]

by passing all the shit posts of disrespect...

So you didn't read ANY of Minor's posts? :confused

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[Strauss]

So you didn't read ANY of Minor's posts? :confused

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Now you're in trouble. You're going to be accused:

And being on the receiving end of your barbs with lots of smileys tacked on, it feels like your tactic is to say exactly what you want to , then pile on the smileys to make it seem like a joke.

Apparently, joking and engaging in humor is verboten.

 

[Minor Axis]

This is a great deal of the pot calling the kettle black. You need the self examination--you spend about 98% of your time here insulting Republicans/conservatives.

I have never intentionally insulted any forum member as you and your spiritual brother do on a regular basis. And I have never insulted people based on where they come from.

And I insult Republicans/conservatives, are you kidding? Until you learn to make moderate posts and consider contrary opinions without feeling the need to insult or belittle, you have no basis what so ever to criticize me.

3rd World? I agree, judging whether a country is third world or not is a matter of perspective. From the British point of view I can see you believing that Argentina is a formidable foe.

Hate to disappoint you living in the second rate country that you do

The first quote is from this thread where the author wanted to give a small tribute to fallen U.K. soldiers. What kind of statements are these, just good humor?

 

[Strauss]

I have never intentionally insulted any forum member as you and your spiritual brother do on a regular basis. And I have never insulted people based on where they come from.

And I insult Republicans/conservatives, are you kidding? Until you learn to make moderate posts and consider contrary opinions without feeling the need to insult or belittle, you have no basis what so ever to criticize me.





The first quote is from this thread where the author wanted to give a small tribute to fallen U.K. soldiers. What kind of statements are these, just good humor?

In all seriousness you didn't score very high on the IQ scale did you? You really don't get the point of the first quote do you? I first I that you were joking but you keep raising it over and over which can only lead to one conclusion, you lack the brain power to figure it out. I'm not calling you stupid, just lacking the mental acuity to ascertain double meanings. I done with this thread.

 

[Hoffa]

Of course she's right, but Vietnam is another excellent example of how easily people are manipulated by the media. If you polled people, more than half of them (probably 4/5ths) would say the US lost the Viet Nam war, which of course if you're truly educated on the subject you know that's not true (it also depends on how you define "lost" of course). The US had the military might, as gling pointed out, to crush the North Vietnames if they chose to actually win the war, but because of politics, they chose to give up. This same strategy of turning the public against a particular action has been employed by Al Queda and its sympathizers and aided and abetted by the American left--just like the Vietnam war.

BTW--I am not voicing an opinion on the merits of the war, just stating a fact which cannot be debated yet you will find people that will debate it (ignorantly I might add) simply because that's how they want it to be or that's what they've been told or read. Actually pretty amazing. And its why Hitler's main objective was to control the media because he knew when you control the media, you control public opinion. Most of Europe and Canada are completely controlled by the media yet they think they are independent thinkers LOL!!! It truly is amazing how ignorant people are about history.

Mulder , you know as well as I that wars are usually fought for political purpose . They are an extension of politic by military means . Absent the political will or cause , a war becomes meaningless.
The military is simply a tool of politic , and war is the slave to it.
You don't support a war with politic , war supports the Political goal .
Political goals can change , be flawed , or in error . When that is the fact , its recogonized , a war will no longer be supported .
Its seems to me many people miss this altogether !.
The U.S. military was never defeated in S.E. Asia tactically , including TET , which was a disaster for NVA and even worse for Viet Cong .
We could have stayed , invested , and fought on forever probably , but for one thing , it was not worth it , not worth the cost in blood or $$$. The political goal was not worth it , and so ..... the war was ended. Vietnam won the war strategically... anyone who believes that the U.S. "won" because of tactical victory's , is a bit silly .

The "Falklands/ Malvina's" conflict was a political blunder by Argentina's military Govt , the war the result. I suppose Argentina could have regrouped , carried the conflict further -longer , but they made the wise move , called it a day . Even if they had somehow managed to win {unlikely} it would not have been worth the cost.
Never a good thing to reinforce a blunder .
You never fight wars or continue them simply because you can . They are not a ballgame , or a sport .
Absent a important political agenda, public support for that agenda , and a reasonable chance of success , war should avoided , or ended if already engaged .
In the case of Vietnam , we ended it , and wisely , whether people choose to think we won , or lost. >f

 

[Minor Axis]

We could have stayed , invested , and fought on forever probably , but for one thing , it was not worth it , not worth the cost in blood or $$$. The political goal was not worth it , and so ..... the war was ended. Vietnam won the war strategically... anyone who believes that the U.S. "won" because of tactical victory's , is a bit silly .

Excellent post. :clap

In another example, the U.S. against Iraq (in both wars) was not even a fair fight on the battlefield. How simple it would be if that was the only determining factor.

 

[Peter Parka]

Great! I started a thread to respect the brave British soldiers who died defending our lands and it gets turned into a load of shit about the USA and Vietnam! Thanks for the respect guys!:thumbup:sarcasm

 

[wednesday]

:homo:You lot should be ashamed of yaselfs...