Fair tax ?

[Tim]

I mean it would be the same if you asked me how many miles to the gallon should vehicles get.

Are we talking motorcycles or tractor trailers? SUV's or sub-compacts?
It's very relative to the question.

One size does not fit all and that's what you're asking here

 

[The Man]

How the hell am I supposed to give you a number when I'm telling you it WON'T FUCKING WORK.

How hard is that to understand? I will not put some arbitrary bullshit percentage that will apply to every single person no matter their level of income.

Maybe I would give you an answer if you were capable of asking a coherent question that makes fucking sense.

Did you notice that not one single person answered your bullshit question?

You really dont get it do you...I am not asking you if you think it would work...fact is you havent shown it wouldnt.


Let me try it this way.
With all incomes totaled up{corps ,individuals gains..everything}.....What percentage of that do you feel is fair for the Govt to obtain from those earnings{forget the flat tax for a moment}
You argued for a budget increase the other day..so if you refuse to answer this question you are merely being intentionally difficult.

 

[Alien Allen]

I think we are in favor of the same thing here... my only change would be to have the tax rate progressive

$0 - $10,000 = 5%
$10,001 - $50,000 = 8%
$50,001 - $200,000 = 12%
etc.

Something along those lines but with actual percentages that make sense (maybe lower, maybe higher)

Interesting scale you have there

funny how while I want the lowest earners to pay at least something you would hit them harder than me.
I would be a bit more progressive I guess

$0 - $10,000 = 1%
$10,001 - $20,000 = 2%
$30,001 - $40,000 = 5%
$40,001 - $50,000 = 6%

etc up to $100k

not sure about the rest

 

[Stone]

Then apply it in the beginning I dont give a shit...but just for your information wealth just doesnt sit...As it loses value due to inflation....this has been explained over and over to you
People and corps do not get rich "sitting" on wealth you shaggy headed cave dweller,,,,they get wealthy by investing...investing is spending....No money fell out of the sky...wealth is created

The idea here in case you are having trouble catching on ...Is how much is fair tax applied evenly to all earnings.
There obviously may be a bump or two along the way.....I am not trying to create a flat tax system..It was just used as an example of "We all pay the same percentage of tax on all earnings"
The only reason I went with the consumption rather than pretax...is so people would not start concentrating on our tax structure.

The idea here stone is rather simple....
How much is a fair tax applied evenly on all earnings?
Just assume everyone will be paying the same percent this goes for corp individuals any and all earning...again all earnings...and give me a percentage of what you think is fair.

Then apply it in the beginning I dont give a shit

Non sequitur.

but just for your information wealth just doesnt sit...As it loses value due to inflation....this has been explained over and over to you
People and corps do not get rich "sitting" on wealth you shaggy headed cave dweller,,,,they get wealthy by investing...investing is spending....No money fell out of the sky...wealth is created

And with your tax model, all of that would be excluded from taxation.
You just aren't adept at critical thinking.

The idea here in case you are having trouble catching on ...Is how much is fair tax applied evenly to all earnings.

No....you specifically posted that the tax was to be a sales tax.

from your opening post:

This include corps, capital gains,everything..all earnings.
No property tax ...extra gas tax...tobacco tax ... beer tax...just one tax even across the board for all earners...regardless of how the earnings are obtained or what they are spent on.
The tax occurs at the time of spending.,,not when funds are acquired

You do this a lot-----> bait an switch.....it's dishonest.

There obviously may be a bump or two along the way

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I say 25 percent is fair

I am not trying to create a flat tax system

Back to schizo mode, I see.

It was just used as an example of "We all pay the same percentage of tax on all earnings"

You are only digging your hole deeper.

The only reason I went with the consumption rather than pretax...is so people would not start concentrating on our tax structure.

Pretax? What is that?
Taxation before you buy something....

How much is a fair tax applied evenly on all earnings?

And you're back to asking for a flat tax rate.
That's regressive taxation as explained to you before.



You hate the middle class.

 

[Stone]

Tell you what, you find where I said this and I will leave your thread forever.

I guarantee that I know more about our tax structure and code than you will ever know.

( directed ^^^^^at TM)

Who doesn't?

 

[Stone]

Dude,,I would rather you stay TBO
I just want a fucking number....why is that so hard?
Hell I will up mine to 28 percent.

There are obviously people here that don't support flat tax concepts as a US model.
So you just aren't going to get an answer for your dumbass question.

 

[The Man]

...Non jibberisih edit out....

So stone
What do you feel is a fair take for the govt of all earnings?
Pretty easy question...Obvious why you wont repsond

 

[Stone]

You really dont get it do you...I am not asking you if you think it would work...fact is you havent shown it wouldnt.


Let me try it this way.
With all incomes totaled up{corps ,individuals gains..everything}.....What percentage of that do you feel is fair for the Govt to obtain from those earnings{forget the flat tax for a moment}
You argued for a budget increase the other day..so if you refuse to answer this question you are merely being intentionally difficult.

Progressive taxation is the fairest.

 

[Stone]

So stone
What do you feel is a fair take for the govt of all earnings?
Pretty easy question...Obvious why you wont repsond

A progressive rate.........I'm not an economist, so I'm not commenting on specific rates or levels.
But I can comment your tax model is intended to protect the wealthiest while punishing the middle class.

 

[The Man]

A progressive rate.........I'm not an economist, so I'm not commenting on specific rates or levels.
But I can comment your tax model is intended to protect the wealthiest while punishing the middle class.

But I can comment your tax model is intended to protect the wealthiest while punishing the middle class.

The rich pay less percentage wise now stone...so how the fuck could an across the board tax favor the wealthy?

.I'm not an economist

Obviously.

 

[Stone]

No.....your tax model is based on consumption, not income.

..........................

Then apply it in the beginning I dont give a shit..................

Your response is still a non sequitur.

 

[Stone]

The rich pay less percentage wise now stone...so how the fuck could an across the board tax favor the wealthy?

Obviously.

Because your dumb ass model isn't based on income, it's based on consumption ( sales)

 

[Tim]

Interesting scale you have there

funny how while I want the lowest earners to pay at least something you would hit them harder than me.
I would be a bit more progressive I guess

$0 - $10,000 = 1%
$10,001 - $20,000 = 2%
$30,001 - $40,000 = 5%
$40,001 - $50,000 = 6%

etc up to $100k

not sure about the rest

Again, my numbers were completely made up and with no thought behind them. It was just to throw out an example.

 

[The Man]

So we have people who wont even respond to what a fair take is but are willing to increase taxes?
I see a whole lot of nuts that need to be cut...seriously

So if people dont even know what someone is being taxed how can they agree to an increase?

Amazing.

Govt spending is 50 grand per household...and people are willing to raise taxes but not comment on what is a fair tax{revenue}....Incredible
Not knowing what the govt take{percentage wise} is currently of all earnings..but willing to raise
Incredible.
I Expected this out of the lefts...but you stone?

 

[The Man]

Again, my numbers were completely made up and with no thought behind them. It was just to throw out an example.

Ahhh you will just toss out any numbers...but not give me one...I am beginning to suspect you have an emotional issue relating to me.

 

[The Man]

Because your dumb ass model isn't based on income, it's based on consumption ( sales)

Already responded to..will paste here for forum convenience.


Let me try it this way.
With all incomes totaled up{corps ,individuals gains..everything}.....What percentage of that do you feel is fair for the Govt to obtain from those earnings{forget the flat tax for a moment}
You argued for a budget increase the other day..so if you refuse to answer this question you are merely being intentionally difficult.

 

[Accountable]

"Fair" is not possible. It doesn't exist in any system that forces people of disparate people to pay for disparate services whether they use them or not.

 

[Stone]

So we have people who wont even respond to what a fair take is but are willing to increase taxes?
I see a whole lot of nuts that need to be cut...seriously

So if people dont even know what someone is being taxed how can they agree to an increase?

Amazing.

Govt spending is 50 grand per household...and people are willing to raise taxes but not comment on what is a fair tax{revenue}....Incredible
Not knowing what the govt take{percentage wise} is currently of all earnings..but willing to raise
Incredible.
I Expected this out of the lefts...but you stone?

The concept of progressive taxation is the fairest for the US.
The arguments occur when deciding the percentages and level boundaries.

Yours is more akin to imposed economic slavery through inequality of tax burden.

 

[The Man]

The concept of progressive taxation is the fairest for the US.
The arguments occur when deciding the percentages and level boundaries.

Yours is more akin to imposed economic slavery through inequality of tax burden.

Already responded to

Let me try it this way.
With all incomes totaled up{corps ,individuals gains..everything}.....What percentage of that do you feel is fair for the Govt to obtain from those earnings{forget the flat tax for a moment}
You argued for a budget increase the other day..so if you refuse to answer this question you are merely being intentionally difficult.

pay attention stone

 

[Alien Allen]

Again, my numbers were completely made up and with no thought behind them. It was just to throw out an example.

same for me

we both live a fantasy