Fair tax ?

[The Man]

What would be a fair tax if it was applied equally to all earners across the board{all tax brackets}
This include corps, capital gains,everything..all earnings.
No property tax ...extra gas tax...tobacco tax ... beer tax...just one tax even across the board for all earners...regardless of how the earnings are obtained or what they are spent on.
The tax occurs at the time of spending.,,not when funds are acquired
This tax will cover all combined govt spending.

I say 25 percent is fair

 

[Francis]

You can't tax that way..

Do you realize how much property tax comes from outside your country ( from non US Citizens ).. How do you expect to pay for schools, garbage, sewer systems and all the other services like firetrucks and other such things.

Isn't that why many town have gone under and closed such services.. Because so many homes defaulted on property taxes..

Can you imagine if you remove sales tax and all the visitors that pay it and the income lost to your government ?

 

[The Man]

You can't tax that way..

Do you realize how much property tax comes from outside your country ( from non US Citizens ).. How do you expect to pay for schools, garbage, sewer systems and all the other services like firetrucks and other such things.

Isn't that why many town have gone under and closed such services.. Because so many homes defaulted on property taxes..

Can you imagine if you remove sales tax and all the visitors that pay it and the income lost to your government ?

Dont complicate things please..I asked what a fair tax would be on all earnings....I specified no property tax etc...one tax cover all form of govt...which includes fire trucks schools etc
But you did point out something I should have clarified....The tax occurs at the time of spending.,,not when funds are acquired.
So what do you consider a fair tax....one tax covering all levels of govt.

 

[Stone]

You can't tax that way..

Do you realize how much property tax comes from outside your country ( from non US Citizens ).. How do you expect to pay for schools, garbage, sewer systems and all the other services like firetrucks and other such things.

Isn't that why many town have gone under and closed such services.. Because so many homes defaulted on property taxes..

Can you imagine if you remove sales tax and all the visitors that pay it and the income lost to your government ?

Notice how TM has slyly gone from supporting a zero income/capital gains tax rate based upon an island tourist economy to 25% of everything you ( edited for correctness ) spent no matter how small or how big that income is?



Expect a google argument to follow from TM, probably along the lines of the Heritage Foundation or some other right wing/ neocon think tank.

Interesting article on flat taxation here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/06/business/flat-tax-doesnt-solve-inequality-problem.html?_r=0

excerpt>

The much more serious concern is that a flat tax would reinforce the trends toward greater income inequality that have been seen over the last several decades. As documented by a recent Congressional Budget Office study, the top 1 percent of income recipients in the United States earned 275 percent more in 2007 than they did in 1979, adjusted for inflation, a period when the earnings of middle-income households grew by less than 40 percent. A flat tax would increase inequality by substantially reducing rates on the most prosperous households, while increasing them on low- and middle-income households.

So when TM said 'fuck the middle class' in a different thread....he wasn't kidding.
His is a bizarre position, increasing taxation on large segments of the middle class while expecting them to expand the economy with increased participation in consumption.


As convoluted and dysfunctional as our tax system is, let's watch TM argue to make it worse

Time for some crazy math.....you have the floor, TM

 

[The Man]

Notice how TM has slyly gone from supporting a zero income/capital gains tax rate based upon an island tourist economy to 25% of everything you make no matter how small or how big that income is?



Expect a google argument to follow from TM, probably along the lines of the Heritage Foundation or some other right wing/ neocon think tank.

Interesting article on flat taxation here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/06/business/flat-tax-doesnt-solve-inequality-problem.html?_r=0

excerpt>


So when TM said 'fuck the middle class' in a different thread....he wasn't kidding.
His is a bizarre position, increasing taxation on large segments of the middle class while expecting them to expand the economy with increased participation in consumption.


As convoluted and dysfunctional as our tax system is, let's watch TM argue to make it worse

Time for some crazy math.....you have the floor, TM

So when TM said 'fuck the middle class' in a different thread....he wasn't kidding.

You are ignorant.
My support was for the poor and not to design tax breaks{middle class} exclusively with them in mind...fuck them snobs..I want the poor to eat.
People like you always wanting to shaft the rich..and always favor the middle class..why dont you look out for the interest of poor people for a change.

Expect a google argument to follow from TM, probably along the lines of the Heritage Foundation or some other right wing/ neocon think tank.

No argument..I tossed out 25 percent as I think it is fair..there was no research involved....wrong again stone

Notice how TM has slyly gone from supporting a zero income/capital gains tax rate based upon an island tourist economy to 25% of everything you make no matter how small or how big that income is?

Stay to topic....whether I believe in gains tax or not with the current system has nothing to do with this thread wolfhead
This thread is rather simple...one tax across the board...what do you think would be fair.
State what you think is fair and why...nothing complicated about it.

Interesting article on flat taxation here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/06/bu...blem.html?_r=0

I did not say I was in favor of a flat tax
I asked what would be a fair flat tax IF one was applied....fucking idiot
I am wanting to determine how much people feel is fair ...then compare that to what we currently pay.....your attempt to play the "crystal ball man" with my motive as you have shown yourself to be wrong again.

If you are having trouble following along /perhaps lurking rather than posting is best suited for you in regard to this thread.

 

[Minor Axis]

Dont complicate things please..I asked what a fair tax would be on all earnings....I specified no property tax etc...one tax cover all form of govt...which includes fire trucks schools etc
But you did point out something I should have clarified....The tax occurs at the time of spending.,,not when funds are acquired.
So what do you consider a fair tax....one tax covering all levels of govt.

25% sales tax? Or are you advocating no sales tax and no property tax? I don't like property tax to fund schools the way it currently is. I think if you want to have 10 kids, there should be a formula that makes you pay more for the burden you are placing on the school district as compared to those with 1, 2, or no children.

 

[The Man]

25% sales tax? Or are you advocating no sales tax and no property tax? I don't like property tax to fund schools the way it currently is. I think if you want to have 10 kids, there should be a formula that makes you pay more for the burden you are placing on the school district as compared to those with 1, 2, or no children.

No property tax..added sales tax etc....Just one tax at time of spending
The scenario would go as 25 percent across the board...they then dispense those funds out accordingly.
the tax would be the same across the board...the tax occurs at time of spending..so therefore the number of children would not fall into the equation.
What percentage do you think is fair MA....do you think the 25 percent is fair?

 

[Minor Axis]

No property tax..added sales tax etc....Just one tax at time of spending
The scenario would go as 25 percent across the board...they then dispense those funds out accordingly.
the tax would be the same across the board...the tax occurs at time of spending..so therefore the number of children would not fall into the equation.
What percentage do you think is fair MA....do you think the 25 percent is fair?

I need more data on the subject to make a determination. I'd have to see all the current sources of taxable income and compare to the income your suggestion would generate. As far as personal income tax, I tend to be against a flat tax. As a principle, those on the high end, can afford to and should pay more into the system, however before I'd be against any proposal, I'd have to see the entire package before making a decision.

 

[The Man]

I need more data on the subject to make a determination. I'd have to see all the current sources of taxable income and compare to the income your suggestion would generate. As far as personal income tax, I tend to be against a flat tax. As a principle, those on the high end, can afford to and should pay more into the system, however before I'd be against any proposal, I'd have to see the entire package before making a decision.

What more data do you need?
A percentage of your earnings at time of spending{same for all}..pretty simple.

As far as "rich paying more"...they would be as they are spending more.
Also to consider this way welfare isnt via tax breaks..but rather a check to aid in the hardship.

What do you think is a fair percentage?

I do find it interesting that you want those with more children to pay more {burden}...but are also in favor of those that make more pay more...how would they be a larger burden?

 

[Alien Allen]

25% sales tax? Or are you advocating no sales tax and no property tax? I don't like property tax to fund schools the way it currently is. I think if you want to have 10 kids, there should be a formula that makes you pay more for the burden you are placing on the school district as compared to those with 1, 2, or no children.

let me guess

you have no kids

welcome to the world of wealth distribution

guess you think I should have lower medical insurance costs also since I am only paying for myself

 

[Stone]

You are ignorant.
My support was for the poor and not to design tax breaks{middle class} exclusively with them in mind...fuck them snobs..I want the poor to eat.
People like you always wanting to shaft the rich..and always favor the middle class..why dont you look out for the interest of poor people for a change.





No argument..I tossed out 25 percent as I think it is fair..there was no research involved....wrong again stone



Stay to topic....whether I believe in gains tax or not with the current system has nothing to do with this thread wolfhead
This thread is rather simple...one tax across the board...what do you think would be fair.
State what you think is fair and why...nothing complicated about it.



I did not say I was in favor of a flat tax
I asked what would be a fair flat tax IF one was applied....fucking idiot
I am wanting to determine how much people feel is fair ...then compare that to what we currently pay.....your attempt to play the "crystal ball man" with my motive as you have shown yourself to be wrong again.

If you are having trouble following along /perhaps lurking rather than posting is best suited for you in regard to this thread.

You are ignorant.

You did post 'fuck the middle class' in another thread.

My support was for the poor and not to design tax breaks{middle class} exclusively with them in mind...fuck them snobs..I want the poor to eat.

And by taking away 25% of what little the poor do earn, you claim that's in their best interests....LOL!

That's just plain stupid.

People like you always wanting to shaft the rich.

Whine, whine, whine........

and always favor the middle class..why dont you look out for the interest of poor people for a change.

Me?....you are arguing to fuck the poor out of 25% of everything they earn since they spend it all to start with......fool.

No argument..I tossed out 25 percent as I think it is fair..there was no research involved.

It is rather obvious you haven't given the issue much thought, TM......look how you intend to save the poor by taking from them.....that's not rational.....no big surprise there.

Stay to topic....whether I believe in gains tax or not with the current system has nothing to do with this thread

Actually it does because you included it as taxable in this thread but argued against taxing it in another thread.
Makes you look foolish
And we don't really want foolish tax planners, do we now......

What would be a fair tax if it was applied equally to all earners across the board{all tax brackets}
This include corps, capital gains,everything..all earnings.
No property tax ...extra gas tax...tobacco tax ... beer tax...just one tax even across the board for all earners...regardless of how the earnings are obtained or what they are spent on.
The tax occurs at the time of spending.,,not when funds are acquired
This tax will cover all combined govt spending.

I say 25 percent is fair

I did not say I was in favor of a flat tax

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Well, well, well...starting the day early in a schizo fugue, eh?

And you wonder why few take you seriously?

I say 25 percent is fair

I asked what would be a fair flat tax IF one was applied....fucking idiot

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I am wanting to determine how much people feel is fair ...then compare that to what we currently pay

Ah....changing the scope of the initial thread topic.
You've done that before.....again, how'd that work out for you?


BTW.....eliminating the processes of tax collection on State and Local issues just went Federal in your argument with the Feds controlling all such distributions and becomes a State's Rights issue. You are now arguing for more Federal bureaucracy.
You poor mixed up teabilly

 

[Stone]

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guess you think I should have lower medical insurance costs also since I am only paying for myself

I wonder what concoction TM has devised to tax medical expenses and insurance payouts?
Should insurance payouts by insurance companies be taxed as an income of the policy holder or is TM going to start a long list of deductions and exclusions?

TM------> fuck you Stone.......

 

[Tim]

A sales tax, ie fair tax or flat tax is regressive in nature and would put most of the burden on the poor and working class.
To just come up with a percentage without more details would be impossible.

Why anyone would suggest moving away from a progressive tax and move to a recessive tax is beyond me.

And to try to combine all taxes into one shows that you don't even understand how taxes work.

 

[Minor Axis]

let me guess

you have no kids

welcome to the world of wealth distribution

guess you think I should have lower medical insurance costs also since I am only paying for myself

Wrong you are a bad guesser. I do have a child. If you are paying only for your medical insurance, you are paying less than if you had a wife or a family.

What more data do you need?

Work on you reading comprehension. I told you what I needed.

 

[Alien Allen]

Wrong you are a bad guesser. I do have a child. If you are paying only for your medical insurance, you are paying less than if you had a wife or a family.



Work on you reading comprehension. I told you what I needed.

I should have given a better example

If you have one child or ten you pay the same for health care

Since you think families with more children should pay more for school then surely you would agree your health insurance should also be more expensive to you the more children you have.

 

[Johnfromokc]

A sales tax, ie fair tax or flat tax is regressive in nature and would put most of the burden on the poor and working class.
To just come up with a percentage without more details would be impossible.

Why anyone would suggest moving away from a progressive tax and move to a recessive tax is beyond me.

And to try to combine all taxes into one shows that you don't even understand how taxes work.

The same reason working class people vote Republican - they're fucking stupid, or simply dumb enough to be misled, or just plain ignorant. There's no nicer way to put it.

Stand by for typical dumbass teabilly responses.

 

[The Man]

A sales tax, ie fair tax or flat tax is regressive in nature and would put most of the burden on the poor and working class.
To just come up with a percentage without more details would be impossible.

Why anyone would suggest moving away from a progressive tax and move to a recessive tax is beyond me.

And to try to combine all taxes into one shows that you don't even understand how taxes work.

A sales tax, ie fair tax or flat tax is regressive in nature and would put most of the burden on the poor and working class.

Incredible !!! it would actually be raising taxes on the rich{if you apply a flat tax}...as the scale goes back down again in the upper brackets with the current system !!...thus we could have a lower average TAX...on lower brackets
You have been whining about wanting to increase taxes on the rich....when you have no idea what our current tax structure is !!!!.,,,fucking incredible
Why do you even post in the politics threads?

To just come up with a percentage without more details would be impossible.

There are no details...what do you think is a fair tax across the board....what percent of ones earning do you feel is fair to give to the govt.

And to try to combine all taxes into one shows that you don't even understand how taxes work.

I know exactly how they work..thus why i started this thread...to make it easy for people like you.
We have several different taxes as of current...to try to figure an average for everybody would be a nightmare....thus why this thread..what percent of your earnings do you feel is fair to give to the govt...Its a pretty easy question

 

[The Man]

Work on you reading comprehension. I told you what I needed.

And I gave it to you

 

[The Man]

The same reason working class people vote Republican - they're fucking stupid, or simply dumb enough to be misled, or just plain ignorant. There's no nicer way to put it.

Stand by for typical dumbass teabilly responses.

You are just like tim you dont have fucking clue do you.

What i find funny is you lefts...are always whining about wanting taxes raised...then when you have the chance to state a fair number you guys wont state one....fucking incredible.

 

[The Man]

You lefts have the chance to raise taxes on corps and the rich..but wont state a number incredible.
A flat tax across the board will have corps and the rich paying a larger share of tax !!
Fucking incredible.
Pick any fucking number you want and apply it to all earnings and all brackets and you will be fucking the rich !

But since you guys cant figure that out lets try this.

How much is a fair tax applied evenly on all earnings?....same question..just hopefully it will sink in