Europe-wide ban on Monsanto GM corn imminent

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The Man

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European Food Safety Authority rejects bogus testing.That's a fact. Anything else is just debate, intended to question and explore. If you can show me any evidence, rather than just continually bitching, I'd be interested to learn.

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Where was it declared bogus by the EFSA ?
They wanted further testing....they never claimed the testing done was bogus.
You are being dishonest with the members of the forum as you have dropped links in regard to the testing.
They never claimed the testing was fake or didn't occur {bogus}
 
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Again with the semantics?

You can try to push the truth away all you like, the testing was REJECTED as flawed and NO EUROPEAN BAN ON GM CORN IS IMMINENT.

Now, if you'd like to bring facts to dispute this statement, instead of clowning around, by all means do so.
 

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Again with the semantics?

You can try to push the truth away all you like, the testing was REJECTED as flawed and NO EUROPEAN BAN ON GM CORN IS IMMINENT.

Now, if you'd like to bring facts to dispute this statement, instead of clowning around, by all means do so.

Show me where the testing was declared bogus...its your claim.

Is it because of your position below

It seems rather desperate to me.Why would you treat corn with weedkiller?

According to your logic the field shouldn't be treated or the test is flawed.

Dont let reality get in your way...consumption is a reality ..The chemical getting on the plants is a reality.
The chemical leaching through the soil..also another reality.
 

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But yeah I would agree about the thread title.,,I wouldnt call it a lie as your are implying.
It is merely no longer accurate due to the decision made by the EFSA
 

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Bout time for a new weed killer IMO

You want a stronger ( more effective ) weed killer than RoundUp ?

Where was it declared bogus by the EFSA ?

Show me where the testing was declared bogus...its your claim.

This answer your question.. I believe he already posted a similar thread but you did not read it..

BRUSSELS Thu Oct 4, 2012 12:42pm EDT

(Reuters) - A French study linking a type of genetically modified corn to health risks in rats was of insufficient scientific quality to draw any conclusions on the safety of such crops, an initial review by the EU's food safety watchdog has found.

Last month, researchers at the University of Caen said rats fed on Monsanto's NK603 GM corn or exposed to its top-selling Roundup glyphosate weed killer were at higher risk of suffering tumors, multiple organ damage and premature death.

The study led Russia to temporarily ban imports of NK603, which can be found in internationally traded animal feed, and is designed to be grown in conjunction with use of glyphosate to control weeds.

France's government said it would also ban imports if the findings are confirmed, but other experts have questioned the study's methods and Monsanto said it felt confident its products had been proven safe.

"Considering that the study... has unclear study objectives and given its inadequate design, analysis and reporting, EFSA finds that it is of insufficient scientific quality for safety assessments," the European Food Safety Authority (EFSA) said in a statement on Thursday.

Among other criticisms, the panel of EFSA scientists that reviewed the paper said the authors had failed to establish appropriate control groups as part of the study, and had chosen a strain of rat that is prone to developing tumors during its normal lifespan.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/04/us-eu-gmo-monsanto-idUSBRE8930WL20121004
 
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They never claimed the testing was fake or didn't occur {bogus}

Both your claims of stating they claimed the testing as bogus is bogus

OK listen, I never said "bogus" you did and I quoted you .. But the article says specifically that the claim is not valid as is.. You want to call it TOMAAAATO and I want to call it Tomato.. I could care less what you want to call you, you know the darn study is proving you wrong but you deny it..

That said, this is not a debate thread but rather a food thread.. Cheers..
 

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OK listen, I never said "bogus" you did and I quoted you .. But the article says specifically that the claim is not valid as is.. You want to call it TOMAAAATO and I want to call it Tomato.. I could care less what you want to call you, you know the darn study is proving you wrong but you deny it..

That said, this is not a debate thread but rather a food thread.. Cheers..

I never stated the test as bogus KD did..you dropped a link to support him with his claim.


The test is more biased {due to the chosen rats} than bogus...as nothing was faked or results given that were false{bogus}
Further research is being done because of those tests.
Should we choose rats that are resilient to cancer for the tests?..which would be biased as well....or would you call that bogus?

Personally I dont think there is much of a concern of human cancer..but IMO its time for a new weedkiller as the target weeds and grasses are genetically changing to adapt to the chemical....thus its time to quit using round up.
 

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The test is bogus.

The idiots who are determined to connect GM corn with cancer selected a species of rat known to be susceptible to cancer under normal conditions and then tried to pass those cancers off s evidence.

I'm pretty much against vivisection in general, but when you use it for the sole purpose of making fraudulent claims, you should be jaiiled.

Again, I'll make the point the The Man has ducked so carefully.

GM crops have been in use for almost 20 years, and yet there's NOT ONE SINGLE SHRED OF EVIDENCE that it causes cancer in humans.

When I see the term "Frankencorn" used in an article,it's pretty obvious that the author is completely biased, regardless of facts.
 

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The test is bogus.

The idiots who are determined to connect GM corn with cancer selected a species of rat known to be susceptible to cancer under normal conditions and then tried to pass those cancers off s evidence.

I'm pretty much against vivisection in general, but when you use it for the sole purpose of making fraudulent claims, you should be jaiiled.

Again, I'll make the point the The Man has ducked so carefully.

GM crops have been in use for almost 20 years, and yet there's NOT ONE SINGLE SHRED OF EVIDENCE that it causes cancer in humans.

When I see the term "Frankencorn" used in an article,it's pretty obvious that the author is completely biased, regardless of facts.
The test is bogus.

The test would only be bogus if the test never happened or the results were false.
Neither is the case

The idiots who are determined to connect GM corn with cancer selected a species of rat known to be susceptible to cancer under normal conditions and then tried to pass those cancers off s evidence.
And evidence it is..regardless which species of rat is chosen.
The test had different groups with different levels of exposure {ingestion} all below what is considered the safe level by the USA..Cancer was caused way below the threshold in the species.
It was the first long term study done...Prior tests were 90 day tests.
Now lets reflect for a moment shall we..does 90 days of smoking tobacco cause cancer..how about asbestos or the red dye that was banned or saccharin ...no one was developing cancer in 90 days.

Since you like to use the word bogus so loosely...The 90 tests for round up are bogus by your definition..as it is hardly a fair test as it intentionally excludes long term exposure to the chemical...and it excludes the rats that are highly susceptible to cancer ....I mean if you want to misuse the word bogus then lets use it to describe those tests as well.
I'm pretty much against vivisection in general, but when you use it for the sole purpose of making fraudulent claims, you should be jaiiled.

Doesnt apply here as the claims weren't false

Again, I'll make the point the The Man has ducked so carefully.

GM crops have been in use for almost 20 years, and yet there's NOT ONE SINGLE SHRED OF EVIDENCE that it causes cancer in humans.
I have not stated otherwise ...is no ducking here.
When I see the term "Frankencorn" used in an article,it's pretty obvious that the author is completely biased, regardless of facts.

It is genetically modified cord that will endure the chemical...Frankencorn is applicable whether one approves of its use or not....nothing bias there

But then again you stated why would someone want to spray corn...which shows you have no prior knowledge on the subject...So I can see how you would think "frankencorn" is biased

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In 2009, the European Food Safety Agency (EFSA) panel on GM organisms determined that NK603 was "as safe as conventional maize".

"Maize NK603 and derived products are unlikely to have any adverse effect on human and animal health in the context of the intended uses," it said, delivering a judgement based in part on a 90-day feeding study on rats.

NK603 can be imported but cannot be grown in Europe.

Only Monsanto's MON810 transgenic corn
and a gene-modified potato, Amflora, made by BASF, have authorisation for being grown in Europe.

However, Austria, Bulgaria, France, Greece, Hungary, Luxembourg and Romania have outlawed the growing of MON810 on their territory, citing the principle of precaution.



http://www.france24.com/en/20120919-france-orders-probe-after-rat-study-links-gm-corn-cancer


As we can see other nations have taken action and France only allows some varieties to be imported..they have banned the growing of the variety in question..it can only be imported and not grown in Europe...thus they have already deemed the chemical unacceptable to be used in Europe.....If its so safe then why isnt allowed?

Now we can start to properly use the word bogus again
 
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