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Iris

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English is actually a hard language to learn. Compared with other European countries and langauges (especially French where a lot of English words came from), the way we pronounce words and where we put emphasis is different.

That said if you want to live in a country, you should learn the language.


English didn't come from French, but Latin. Though English is mostly Germanic.
 
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Zorak

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You can give the quotation marks a rest, you've already quoted what I said. No need to quote in parody what you think I am thinking.

For the record, I didn't mean to imply anything. I've just always approached this with a sense of irony. I apologise if you feel demonised.
 

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English didn't come from French, but Latin. Though English is mostly Germanic.

That's not true in my view, yes, words derived from Old English are of course Germanic; but there are equally many from Latin, Greek and yes - French (Anyone for Tennis, wouldn't that be nice?)

Take words derived from the Old English - like Queen. Was derived from Cwen.... They've been romanticised. So I don't view modern English as Germanic, anymore than I see it as a Romance language.
 

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French came from Latin. lol And I said mostly Germanic, meaning that a majority of words in the English language are Germanic... Not all.

Edit: You know that means it really couldn't have come from French, but Latin? Because Romance languages are languages based off of Latin. Romanian, French, Spanish, Portuguese, and Italian are the main five.
 
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French came from Latin. lol And I said mostly Germanic, meaning that a majority of words in the English language are Germanic... Not all.

Edit: You know that means it really couldn't have come from French, but Latin? Because Romance languages are languages based off of Latin. Romanian, French, Spanish, Portuguese, and Italian are the main five.

Yes. Well done. Everyone knows that.

You've successfully completely missed my point.
 

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My Great Grandparents came here from Czech in the late 1800's. My Grandmother learned English in school which she brought home to her parents and they learned as well.

As it should be.

This is America. We speak our own brand of English here.:D

If you want to make anything of yourself while you live here, you best learn English. It is still the language of business the last time I checked.
 

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French came from Latin. lol And I said mostly Germanic, meaning that a majority of words in the English language are Germanic... Not all.

Edit: You know that means it really couldn't have come from French, but Latin? Because Romance languages are languages based off of Latin. Romanian, French, Spanish, Portuguese, and Italian are the main five.

But they are not the same. Romantic languages are based on Latin, but are not the same. Most French words are Latin based but some French words didn't come from Latin, some came from Germanic languages and from other sources. Such as the French word Jardin (garden), that word entered the French vocaulary from Germanic Languages.

And as I am studying Etymology in English Language, you are clearly told that words such as tennis come from French not Latin becuase they were intergrated into the English Language in roughly 1150 to 1450 after the Norman Conquest of 1066. Latin words are more associated with entering the language in the Reinaissonce Period (1450-1740) with the introduction of words such as fraternity which is clearly based on Latin words.
 

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Do you need legislation to conduct business in english? Everything here is in english from govt to business to schools. Most people here are trilingual. Most can also do business with china using their language too.
 

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Many states have or are discussing English only laws that would make all government business in English only. This would make all official business of the state such as license exams, public school classes, exclusively in English. These laws would also make all legal documents in English only.

Do you agree with this or do you think that this policy is ethnocentric?

european countries before they allow you to become a citizen require that you prove you are able to use their language, know their history and such, the government. lots of requirements, one of the usual is language, they require you learn their language. i think it is fair and reasonable to expect people to know the language of the country they want to live in.

here's a small paragraph from wikipedia on this.

French nationality law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia under naturalisation

Naturalisation will only be successful for those who are judged to have integrated into French society (i.e. by virtue of language skills and understanding of rights and responsibilites of a French citizen, to be demonstrated during an interview at the local prefecture), and who show loyalty to French institutions.

how come no one is calling them racist assholes? maybe because its not the US, maybe because it's in europe, or no one is aware of these facts. or all 3. i'm guessing all 3.
 

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It might change in the future, but historically in the U.S. you are disadvantaging yourself not to speak English. Should there be laws about English only? My inclination is to say no laws, but then again I'm lazy. I don't want to be forced to learn another language. :p
 

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English is the medium of instruction in all schools here. Learning a second language in schools is mandatory here. You can't get university admission here if you did not pass the second language final test in secondary school. I speak 4 languages here.
 

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I think your average American needs to learn English first before you impose it on the foreigners. :p;)
It's called different dialects. I've heard different English dialects from over there so I don't think you're country can talk too much.
 

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Census: English on Decline in USA (some good statistics at this site)
New data released by the U.S. Census Department show that the number of Americans who do not speak English has soared in the past ten years.
Eighteen percent of Americans do not speak English in their own homes. By their own acknowledgement, over 17 million of these Americans do not speak English very well. Nearly seven million speak little or no English.

These statistics come from the U.S. Census 2000 Supplementary Survey of U.S. households. The data include only persons age five and older, and living in households. (This excludes such housing as universities, prisons and military bases.)
Census: English on Decline in USA
 

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People can choose to speak any language they want. The rest of us should not be forced to spend our time and resources accomodating their choices however.

:homo:

You would not believe the amount of money we spend (work for gvmt) on interpreters and how much they charge. And that's all in trying to get govmt. money.

I travel a lot out of the country. I have never had trouble finding someone who speaks English and for that I am grateful and that included France.

I agree if you live in a country it behooves you to learn the language. But on vacation, well I panomine(sic) pretty good ;)
 

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Who does that?


I am linguist. And when it comes to a unified language system in a given country, it behooves you to have one language (officially).

fyi Canada has had two official languages for years. One is English and the second is French. Try getting a Federal Govt job if you are not fluent in both.
 

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It's called different dialects. I've heard different English dialects from over there so I don't think you're country can talk too much.
There is a difference between a dialect and an accent.

Can you explain to me why some so many Americans use the word axe when they actually mean ask? Or ruff instead of roof?

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