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So what you're saying, is this:

We are setting up a puppet government to run Iraq in order to force Iraq to sell her oil to us, and not China.

How will they controll the prices? How are they going to justify selling to America when China is offering them more money per barrel?

Do you think they could get away with that?
 
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So what you're saying, is this:

We are setting up a puppet government to run Iraq in order to force Iraq to sell her oil to us, and not China.

How will they controll the prices? How are they going to justify selling to America when China is offering them more money per barrel?

Do you think they could get away with that?
I'm going to say this: America has WAY too much put into this whole Iraq thing to just let them act as they please.
 

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I think drafts go against human rights and freedom and the idea of one happening in a civilized country scares me.
Also, I have to say I don't understand this whole thing about "our way of life" and stuff like that. For God's sake, my country suffered a terrorist attack too, and I never heard somebody saying that (mainly because people would laugh their asses off to begin with)
 

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So what you're saying, is this:

We are setting up a puppet government to run Iraq in order to force Iraq to sell her oil to us, and not China.
How will they control the prices? How are they going to justify selling to America when China is offering them more money per barrel?

Do you think they could get away with that?

Excellent questions Scott. Let's take them one at a time.

1. How will they control the prices?
They don't have to control the prices when the oil is basically free.

2. How are they going to justify selling to America when China is offering them more money per barrel?
They don't have to justify oil prices when American and UK oil companies are guaranteed a percentage of the oil for the next 30 years.

3. Do you think they could get away with that?
They already have.

Now the next question that you are most likely going to ask me is... How the hell do they plan on getting basically free oil from Iraq for the next 30 years without breaking the law?

The answer is three simple letters. PSA production sharing agreement.

A production sharing agreement is where developing nation is helped by another nation to extract some of their resources (typically oil) for an agreed percentage of the resource. Example: small country "A" wants to capitalize on some of it's oil reserves but it lacks the equipment and expertise. Country "B" has the resources to extract this oil for country "A". They enter into an agreement to extract this oil for a percentage. Country "B" is taking a risk and putting out the costs, but in return they capitalize if they are successful in the extraction.

Now that you know what a PSA is, lets look at Iraq and the PSA they are signing into law with American and UK oil companies. When you hear about the Iraqi government meeting certain benchmarks, they are talking about the PSA's. Now once these PSA's are signed into law by the government that we helped into power in Iraq, the American oil companies will have a guaranteed source of oil for the next 30 years. The problem with this, it's theft on the grandest of scales. Forcing Iraq to share it's oil for the next 30 years in return for helping them extract their oil??? Iraq's oil is some of the most easily extracted oil in the world. Right now the current cost is fifty cents to a dollar per barrel. As far as know how... Iraq has been extracting it's own oil for decades, they do not need our help in that area. They will need new equipment, but with the worlds third largest oil reserve, I don't think credit would be a problem. So why did Iraq need to sign these PSA's? They are giving away the majority of their known fields wich account for 64% of Iraq's oil. At an oil price of $40 per barrel, Iraq stands to lose between $74 billion and $194 billion over the lifetime of the proposed contracts, from only the first 12 oilfields to be developed. These estimates, based on conservative assumptions, represent between two and seven times the current Iraqi government budget.

Now do you see how America can just take the oil from Iraq right from under the nose of China? Interesting isn't it?
 

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Give me ALL the information on the situation, then maybe I'll fight. Im not gonna run in like a blind mindless drone though. Hold secrets while my life is on the line? No thanks...move along.
 
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i think if the Iraq govn as it is even now wanted us out we'd have no choice but they could not stand up to Iran if we left .

Homer is the MAN!

Not only could they not stand up to Iran, but they couldnt stand up to Iraq! If we just took off when it was justified they couldnt stand. If we left a year later they couldnt stand. Our (bush's) theory of how to get Iraq free is not flawed. The generals theory of how to win the war is not flawed.....the Iraqi people's view of what "free" is, is flawed. Its a cultural difference. "Free" is a different concept (from the USA) when you and your ancestors have been fighting for 2000 years.
 

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when where i haven't seen it why didn't they say it when they were in NY not to lone ago , no the dems and media would be all over it.
 

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Homer is the MAN!

Not only could they not stand up to Iran, but they couldnt stand up to Iraq! If we just took off when it was justified they couldnt stand. If we left a year later they couldnt stand. Our (bush's) theory of how to get Iraq free is not flawed. The generals theory of how to win the war is not flawed.....the Iraqi people's view of what "free" is, is flawed. Its a cultural difference. "Free" is a different concept (from the USA) when you and your ancestors have been fighting for 2000 years.

Actually, the mere idea of that you can fight ideas is flawed.
 
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No, the fact is that its not important politically to express why that isnt important. If it doesnt make political sense then it will not be spoken. In left or right media. It doesnt make poilitical sense to yay or nay the presence in Iraq. Therefore anyone who does is a zealot.
 
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No, the fact is that its not important politically to express why that isnt important. If it doesnt make political sense then it will not be spoken. In left or right media. It doesnt make poilitical sense to yay or nay the presence in Iraq. Therefore anyone who does is a zealot.

Man, Im online and getting left 2 or 3 quotes behind lol.
 
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Actually, the mere idea of that you can fight ideas is flawed.

LOL yea....Someone gets it. An idea cannot be fought against unless you completely eradicate a whole ...."race, religion, ideal" its impossible. But we shouldnt stop making our point (killing idealists and thier mouthpieces) till we kill ...... (insert number here).
 

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LOL yea....Someone gets it. An idea cannot be fought against unless you completely eradicate a whole ...."race, religion, ideal" its impossible. But we shouldnt stop making our point (killing idealists and thier mouthpieces) till we kill ...... (insert number here).
Ok then lol , have fun making more enemies than you can kill along the way.
 
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Continued from last post......Until we kill enough people to make the point that no matter what your ideals are. We will treat you fairly until you fuck with my freedom. Once you do that. You have me to face.
 

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Continued from last post......Until we kill enough people to make the point that no matter what your ideals are. We will treat you fairly until you fuck with my freedom. Once you do that. You have me to face.
So who exactly are we killing here? Anyone?


In my experience I have had more enemies than I can face...but these enemies know that conflicting with me may or may not be too much. If I show them that it is too much than these enemies wont attack.

We're not talking about you. We're talking about the U.S..
 
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