Doctors and the Catholic church
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purpledove
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I ams sorry but that's what we expect from MDs all the time but is not always the case esp if there might be complications that may arise given Chantix is a pretty new medication. Even a Pharmacist at this point would only know the basic knowledge of medications but still they have to work hand in hand with specialists re: diagnosis etc.
Too much lawsuits and too much medications have had been in the market where MDs end up being liable and sued after a few months when such newer medications come out with death threatening complications. We've seen it happen everyday in the news. So nope they're not gonna take that BIG risk to lose their source of income and their license
General MDs are not specialized at all and true they have the knowledge but the insides as to when dealing with OB-Gyne stuffs they would think otherwise when prescribing any medications complicating other conditions
I'm not expecting GP's to have encyclopedic knowledge of all prescriptions, but you'd think they have some info on the basic ones like birth control. Hell, failing that, they could look it up. I went to see my doctor about changing my birth control brand a while ago and he pulled out a textbook so he could go through the differences with me. Fine if you can't remember off the top of your head but I don't think just flat out saying 'well I don't believe in it so I'm not going to take any sort of interest' is the right method.
I ams sorry but that's what we expect from MDs all the time but is not always the case esp if there might be complications that may arise given Chantix is a pretty new medication. Even a Pharmacist at this point would only know the basic knowledge of medications but still they have to work hand in hand with specialists re: diagnosis etc.
Too much lawsuits and too much medications have had been in the market where MDs end up being liable and sued after a few months when such newer medications come out with death threatening complications. We've seen it happen everyday in the news. So nope they're not gonna take that BIG risk to lose their source of income and their license
General MDs are not specialized at all and true they have the knowledge but the insides as to when dealing with OB-Gyne stuffs they would think otherwise when prescribing any medications complicating other conditions
I think you are a little lost on this topic.
We didn't ask him for a prescription for birth control, he was giving a prescription for Chantix and didn't know if there were any contradictions to the birth control she was taking. And my point is that whether he prescribes birth control or not, he should have that information for us. His response to us indicated that he was doing a half ass job at best. You DON'T write out a script if you don't have any idea if it will create problems with your current prescription. And it doesn't matter if he is a GP or a specialist.
and just out of curiosity, where are you from?
Thank you, exactly my thoughts
purpledove
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Thanks for pointing me out to the right direction :thumbup
Given the highlighted words from your wife's OP, I was left under the impression she was asking for a prescription from that general MD. If that info was clarified in the succeeding pages of the thread- that I would have missed and as i stated in my post , I did not read the whole thread . My bad there then
I still have to reiterate that most GPs would care less nowadays as to even going into in-depth knowledge on certain stuffs as they wanna shun themselves away from being sued. I know it's disappointing
BUT I agree :nod: with you that he should have that info even b4 giving the prescription of Chantix. You're wife on the other hand then should not use the Chantix b4 it gets clarified if there's no contraindication as to to her use with contraceptive pills.
I am afraid though that you might get same response from another MD if they dont know her OB-Gyne history and given not all birth control pills are same nowadays- they might still refer you guys to seek out consult with whoever prescribed the contraceptive med.
If I am allowed to suggest then: Call her OB-GYne if she can be allowed the Chantix with her current contraceptive pills. ( if she is now given she stated wanting to start on birth control pills soon )
IF it's the reverse situation where she's not on any birth control pills yet- then whichever MD will prescribe the pills shall find some contraceptive pill that will not interact with her Chantix
I am from California Sir
if I may ask- why'd you wanna know? :unsure:
I know that the Catholic church is against birth control. But for a doctor to tell you that the church wont allow hin to give it to you, is bull shit.
Besides I thought that Doctors played god. So he can override the church! Lol
Besides I thought that Doctors played god. So he can override the church! Lol
purpledove
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There are no longer simple ones as to birth control pills. There's so many different varieties nowadays from higher estrogen level ones, to lower progesterones or more of chemical ingredients that instead of working on the reproductive system of a woman- they work now on brain receptors. Not all MDs would know that and not all info can easily be obtained when they look up certain info out of a textbook, unfortunately
I agree the MD should know the basic knowledge and he probably does.....but doesn't mean they would take the risk giving info to someone they don't know OB-Gyne history of hence the practice of a referral system. This method gets themselves away from being sued given they based the info they gave to any patient from just basic knowledge.
You guys gotta understand it's not as simple nowadays to be giving info just like that. Any simple mistake can be taken against these MDs or any healthcare professionals and it happens hence they'd rather play safe to protect their licenses.
From statistics alone- the most sued area of medicine is OB GYNE where certain info the MDs think is simple soon ends risking the life of a woman or a baby- lots of lawsuits in this area. so others knowing that wouldnt be taking their chances. Just an FYI, Of course
purpledove
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Well, it's not a BS if you're the MD who's gonna be dinged by the clinic for not being paid by insurance or NOT given the funding by the church if there was NOT a medical diagnosis to back up one's prescription. Either the MD abide by it or he loses his job/business. In this economy, and pretending you're the MD will you risk it and call it BS?
Doctors play God- Yes but not all......Yes in the area they know how to treat esp for Surgeons who think they're fixing God's mistakes- BUT when a church is powerful enough to withhold payments for patient services- again in this economy- as the MD playing God- will you fight? :willy_nilly:
Sounds like I just stepped on a Catholics toes, or a doctor, or both.Well, it's not a BS if you're the MD who's gonna be dinged by the clinic for not being paid by insurance or NOT given the funding by the church if there was NOT a medical diagnosis to back up one's prescription. Either the MD abide by it or he loses his job/business. In this economy, and pretending you're the MD will you risk it and call it BS?
Doctors play God- Yes but not all......Yes in the area they know how to treat esp for Surgeons who think they're fixing God's mistakes- BUT when a church is powerful enough to withhold payments for patient services- again in this economy- as the MD playing God- will you fight? :willy_nilly:
It's been said several times in this thread that if it's a "Catholic" practice, then the docs in question are receiving monetary support from the Catholic Church and can contractually bind the docs to their philosophies. It's also been said that "it's a private practice" so essentially a doc can choose to decline certain things based on religious beliefs.
Only problem... are these docs in question at any point ever receiving payment via the US Government i.e Medicare or Medicaid? If so, there could be a serious legal question about their actions. If a teacher cannot ask a student to bow their heads and pray, how can a doctor legally say "This is against my religion" when in both circumstances they are subject to guidelines of the Government, and the US Constitution.
When Government money changes hands, the rules of "private business" rarely still apply, at least from a legal standpoint.
Only problem... are these docs in question at any point ever receiving payment via the US Government i.e Medicare or Medicaid? If so, there could be a serious legal question about their actions. If a teacher cannot ask a student to bow their heads and pray, how can a doctor legally say "This is against my religion" when in both circumstances they are subject to guidelines of the Government, and the US Constitution.
When Government money changes hands, the rules of "private business" rarely still apply, at least from a legal standpoint.
Actually there's a something called the Right of Conscious Clause that allows doctors to refuse treatment based on their religion. It was also made to so that a doctor can't be punished for refusing in what looks like most states. If they did get punished then they would not receive the federal funding anymore. This was edited by Obama to state that they wouldn't necessarily lose their funding unless they are judging based on a persons sexuality. To kind of sum it up.
Here's the edited Conscious Clause
http://www.ncsl.org/default.aspx?tabid=14380
Other information can be found by just searching to get all of the details.
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Those laws primarily apply to pharmacists, and they provide that the are given the right to refuse without being held liable to the consumer by way of a civil lawsuit brought by a private party. Completely different scenario than a "separation of church and state" issue that could arise from someone collecting government compensation and filtering who and when they choose to serve based on their religious beliefs. That is a simple case of discrimination, and could well be interpreted by a court to be in violation of law.
purpledove
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Haha :24: :24: Neither
But I work in the Healthcare and had seen it. I've done medical billing too and knows the ins and outs of those contracts with the church and the Insurance companies.
The doctor should have informed you that his Catholic beliefs took precedence to your health and/or desires. You may have appreciated his stance if you were Catholic. But hiding this fact from you until you questioned him about it directly was unethical. Find a new doctor. I wouldn't trust him.
Actually Tim Anitabear is right... I work in a Pharmacy and daily I deal with drug interactions between medication that doctors have prescribed there patients on the same day with in the whole whopping 10 minutes they get to see you in the first place. If it is something they are not used to writing out then yeah they are not going to have a clue are they really do you realize exactly how many medications there are out there for the same thing but A might interact with this drug but B would not.
I have asked my boss i.e the Pharmacist this as I thought it to be quite odd myself and he explained to me quite clearly that its a case of Biology vs Chemistry both the Doctor and Pharmacist have knowledge of both aspect but depending on what career path you have taken you will know more about your field and a brief segment of the OTHER part.... I thought it to be bullcrap until I noticed that each doctor around here will prescribe a certain drug for a certain aliment, they have there comfort zones with medication because its what they are used to prescribing and they no the side effects and MOST of the interactions... But STILL it doesnt not always work out that way, they mess up a lot with them as well like prescribing a drug with sulfa in it to someone who has a allergy to sulfa and its the Pharmacists job to pick up on that and advise the doctor on another drug they could possibly use.
So yeah like I said Anita is right..
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As for the not wanting to write you one for Birth control i agree it is bullcrap but do you really expect anything less from the Catholic church... Its why I do not go to church anymore!! And unfortunately it is his right to not want to write you one out just think how many people he has angered over that... Stupid really... Sorry you are so mad Guess.
Actually if you read it you'd see that physicians are also listed in there.
I told you if you look it up more you could find more out about it as I'm not someone who's going to post every single link that explains that doctors have the right to refuse services because we are all grown ups and know how to research.
And where's this collecting from the government coming from? I didn't read that this practice is funded by the government. Even if it was....well refer to my previous posts.
I did read the link and lots more. The laws do exactly what I said - protect from a direct lawsuit by an individual based on personal discrimination.
Funded by the Government is coming from the fact that nearly EVERY medical practice receives a huge percentage of their income through Medicare and Medicaid payments. Those are Government funds. Schools don't have the right to espouse their religious beliefs on students. Government contractors don't have the right to refuse to deal with certain suppliers because of relgious affiliations. Government money changes the rules in nearly every facet of life from a legal standpoint. If someone wanted to take it to court, a case could be made that if a medical practice chooses to base decisions on religious doctrine, then they may no longer longer accept any payments from Medicare and Medicaid. That would be a devastating financial blow to most medical practices.
Funded by the Government is coming from the fact that nearly EVERY medical practice receives a huge percentage of their income through Medicare and Medicaid payments. Those are Government funds. Schools don't have the right to espouse their religious beliefs on students. Government contractors don't have the right to refuse to deal with certain suppliers because of relgious affiliations. Government money changes the rules in nearly every facet of life from a legal standpoint. If someone wanted to take it to court, a case could be made that if a medical practice chooses to base decisions on religious doctrine, then they may no longer longer accept any payments from Medicare and Medicaid. That would be a devastating financial blow to most medical practices.
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