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Zorak

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It's completely different over here - doctors are the experts because they train for years and years.

Pharmacists (we call them chemists) are weird woman who try to read what that doctor has scribbled on a post-it note then make you wait an hour while they talk behind the counter and eventually get round to finding what you need for you.
 
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It's completely different over here - doctors are the experts because they train for years and years.

Pharmacists (we call them chemists) are weird woman who try to read what that doctor has scribbled on a post-it note then make you wait an hour while they talk behind the counter and eventually get round to finding what you need for you.

:24: That's quite a skill in itself you know!
 

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C) I am not sure about you, but I find out information on my doctor before I even start going to them or I atleast meet with them first to find out about them so something like this shouldn't have came as a surprise.

We did meet with this doctor/practice before we started going to him. But who in the hell asks if they are unwilling to do a complete and thorough job because of religious beliefs??? You don't expect that from a doctor.
This is why we are pissed, there was no indication, discussion, literature, etc. even giving a hint as to his stance.
 

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We did meet with this doctor/practice before we started going to him. But who in the hell asks if they are unwilling to do a complete and thorough job because of religious beliefs??? You don't expect that from a doctor.
This is why we are pissed, there was no indication, discussion, literature, etc. even giving a hint as to his stance.


:homo: as it is pretty unusual for Doctors to refuse some medications on religious grounds then I think it should be up to them to make their patients aware of that not the other way around.
 

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Would somebody tell me what this doctor did that has put anybody in harms way?

I don't agree with his stance as I am an atheist but he was honest

His explanation was logical for a devout catholic

Would be interesting to ask him what if any other decisions he might make with regard to treatment that are a result of his religious beliefs

Before anybody jumps all over me please re read what I posted first and think about it.
 

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It's completely different over here - doctors are the experts because they train for years and years.

Pharmacists (we call them chemists) are weird woman who try to read what that doctor has scribbled on a post-it note then make you wait an hour while they talk behind the counter and eventually get round to finding what you need for you.

It never fails to amaze me how long they take to put 2 boxes into 1 bag.

Last time I got a prescription, I had to sit and wait for about 20minutes while the oh-so-busy-doing-nothing-Pharmacists sat on their arses watching the NHS TV channel. Then finally one of them got up, looked at my form then put two boxes (they didn't need to measure it out or anything) in a bag in slow motion.
 

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Would somebody tell me what this doctor did that has put anybody in harms way?

I don't agree with his stance as I am an atheist but he was honest

His explanation was logical for a devout catholic

Would be interesting to ask him what if any other decisions he might make with regard to treatment that are a result of his religious beliefs

Before anybody jumps all over me please re read what I posted first and think about it.

It's pretty simple, let me explain my views...

Problem #1: We had no idea that his religious views trumped his medical views
Problem #2: We don't know if this just concerns birth control or not
Problem #3: Have any of his other medical decisions been affected since we have been going to him. Meaning did we get the best possible medical advice from him on previous visits.
Problem #4: He was giving Alicia a prescription for one medication while she was on another one and couldn't provide her any indication that they might be in conflict because he wasn't allowed to prescribe the one.
Problem #5: How can I feel comfortable confiding in this doctor about anything personal when I know I might be judged by him?
Problem #6: Do you think we would get sound medical advice/answers if we told him that our sexual lifestyle was in no way according to catholic beliefs?
 

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Would somebody tell me what this doctor did that has put anybody in harms way?

I don't agree with his stance as I am an atheist but he was honest

His explanation was logical for a devout catholic

Would be interesting to ask him what if any other decisions he might make with regard to treatment that are a result of his religious beliefs

Before anybody jumps all over me please re read what I posted first and think about it.

Well, imo religion shouldn't come into medicine. If he is that devout to his religion then maybe he should have chosen a different career. That's just my opinion on it, I don't know why Catholics (and I was raised one) seem to think that God has anything against contraception anyway.
 

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It never fails to amaze me how long they take to put 2 boxes into 1 bag.

Last time I got a prescription, I had to sit and wait for about 20minutes while the oh-so-busy-doing-nothing-Pharmacists sat on their arses watching the NHS TV channel. Then finally one of them got up, looked at my form then put two boxes (they didn't need to measure it out or anything) in a bag in slow motion.

Last time i got a prescription, I got told off for playing with the sunglasses and bug spray.

What else was I supposed to do while they fucked about :D
 

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I agree with everything Tim and Niamh have said.

I don't see why a doctor's Religion, or any deep personal opinion (eg homophobic, racist, sexist views etc), should in any way influence what they can/can't do medically for their patients.


Last time i got a prescription, I got told off for playing with the sunglasses and bug spray.

What else was I supposed to do while they fucked about :D
I kept looking at my watch and saying "This is taking forever" and sighing loudly. They kept giving me dirty looks and then still sat there doing NOTHING.

What got me was the fact the bloody place hadn't even been open long that morning (must have been about 9:10am when I got there) so why they needed their long break, watching NHS TV, I'll never know.
 
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One more point...

I do not care if he wants to practice his medicine this way. I am sure there are many people here that prefer that.
But that is NOT what I want in a doctor and I should have been informed when we interviewed him, don't you think?
 

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One more point...

I do not care if he wants to practice his medicine this way. I am sure there are many people here that prefer that.
But that is NOT what I want in a doctor and I should have been informed when we interviewed him, don't you think?

I think so. People expect Doctors to be professional and to offer any medicine and/or treatment that they require (unless it's not medically advisable) so if a Doctor is not able to offer a full service then I believe the patient should be properly informed on this before they decide on him/her as their Doctor.
 

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It's pretty simple, let me explain my views...

Problem #1: We had no idea that his religious views trumped his medical views
Other than birth control you don't know that it did.

Problem #2: We don't know if this just concerns birth control or not
See above

Problem #3: Have any of his other medical decisions been affected since we have been going to him. Meaning did we get the best possible medical advice from him on previous visits.
See above. Can you make any claim that you did not get the best care?

Problem #4: He was giving Alicia a prescription for one medication while she was on another one and couldn't provide her any indication that they might be in conflict because he wasn't allowed to prescribe the one.
He told you that he did not have the answer didn't he? That seems to be a proper response given his religious view.

Problem #5: How can I feel comfortable confiding in this doctor about anything personal when I know I might be judged by him?
I would not feel comfortable either and would go find another doctor.

Problem #6: Do you think we would get sound medical advice/answers if we told him that our sexual lifestyle was in no way according to catholic beliefs?
Given his earlier honest response I would expect he would tell you how he felt.

As I said I do not agree with what the guy did. But I don't see where he has caused any harm. You were made aware of his view. Now that you have that info you are free to move on to a different doctor. I don't know if there are any Christian Scientist doctors but if so and they practiced based on their religion then I would have a huge problem without being told. I don't know other than birth control issues and abortion if Catholic doctors really practice differently than others.
 

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That's 100% bullshit and her should lose his job. You're going to a regular practice. If it was designated a religious influenced practitioner I could see and evenm then I'd still be pissed.
 
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Other than birth control you don't know that it did.

See above

See above. Can you make any claim that you did not get the best care?

He told you that he did not have the answer didn't he? That seems to be a proper response given his religious view.

I would not feel comfortable either and would go find another doctor.

Given his earlier honest response I would expect he would tell you how he felt.

As I said I do not agree with what the guy did. But I don't see where he has caused any harm. You were made aware of his view. Now that you have that info you are free to move on to a different doctor. I don't know if there are any Christian Scientist doctors but if so and they practiced based on their religion then I would have a huge problem without being told. I don't know other than birth control issues and abortion if Catholic doctors really practice differently than others.

Never said he caused any harm. And he may have given me great medical advice in the past, but I don't want to wonder if he did or not.

Morality should lie in the hands of the patient, not my doctor.
 

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One more thing I should point out...

If this doctor is prescribing a medication and says "Oh I don't know if it will interact with your birth control since I won't prescribe that" Then one has to think about all the previous prescriptions he has written for Alicia. Did any of those cause a problem? Why hasn't he said anything before? I know for a fact that there are several antibiotics that should not be used while on certain birth controls... and he has prescribed antibiotics to her before.
This discussion should have been had several prescriptions ago
 

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I certainly don't think he should lose his job, or be tied to a stake and set on fire or whatever else some people have mentioned here.

He absolutely should have told you that he had strong religious views and that they interfere with his medical advice. But now you know, theres no point in thinking back about what COULD have happened. As long as you are all in good health now, find another doctor who you trust and move on.
 

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Religious views have absolutely no place in a doctors office. He's there to treat you not let his religious views interfere with his profession.
 

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I disagree. As long as the Doctor ensures that all of the patients are aware of his religious views there is nothing wrong with it. He will simply lose out on some patients. You can make the choice to go to another Doctor.
 

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Long story short:

I went to my family doctor today to start myself on Chantix (those of you who don't know what it is, it's a prescription to stop smoking). While we were talking I told him that I would like to start birth control soon and wanted to know if Chantix would affect the birth control in any way.
This was his response and I quote "I don't know...We actually aren't allowed to write out prescriptions for birth control, the Catholic church will not allow us. I mean, if it was a 15 year old girl who wanted to regulate her period, that would be fine. Other then that we don't do it. If you get it from your gynecologist, you can ask them"

I didn't know what to say to that, I was really taken aback with what he said to me.

Tim said that we are going to get a new doctor, which I agree 100%. There's no way that I want the catholic church to influence my family doctor.. What other diagnosis has he possibly given me that was influenced by the Catholic church??

Pardon me if I didnt get a chance to read all the posts as i know I may have missed some points clarified already at this point. I'll just answer the OP and 1 post which i think i may know answers to :D

1) family MD: are just that. They have the basic general knowledge about medicine particularly family med but they didn't specialize or didnt go into training unlike specialists like your gynecologist ( more years into residency and specialization )

Your family MD might only know basic stuffs about Chantix without all the bits of info about stuffs complicating or prescribing such medication. Hence such General MD if it's not within their scope of practice would make it not their business bcoz they can be held liable if they dont know your obstetrics and gynecological history and they prescribe a birth control pill just bcoz a patient requests it. I know it may not make sense to you......BUT being in the healthcare system myself - am just stating facts of how it is. Sorry as i truly understand how you're feeling and where you're coming from :(

2) Catholic church involvement: If that's a Catholic institution then those MDs are bound by contract with the Catholic church. I know it sounds ridiculous but it's the truth. Every transaction done thru the church given that church funds them shall be within the standards set by the contract with that church. Otherwise they lose business and patients loyal to such church. Unfortunately, they will also lose patients like yourself not being a part of that church I presume....BUt that's very minute loss for them over what they lose if they break contract with such church. It's much more complicated than you can see from the surface- billing even with Insurance companies would also have contracts with the church and business is business for them.Even if such service is already rendered to you for example- they are NOT guaranteed payments until approved by Insurance in coordination with the church :(

3) girl who's bleeding and why one can prescribe birth control pills: Bcoz the MD can justify the payment claims with the Insurance and the church with a medical diagnosis.

For yours- he can't justify as you currently don't have a medical condition that he can base a prescription for.

Other MDs of course not within the control of the church may prescribe the pills BUT most dont want to take that risk nowadays given the many lawsuits due to the lack of gynecological/obstetrics records to help them justify prescribing such.


What the fuck?

I'd think about reporting him to someone for that. How can he say it'd be okay to give you the pill if you were young and unmarried, but not if you're an adult woman trying to have safe sex? That's insane.

Is the clinic he works in funded by a church or something? I've heard about hospitals having to refuse abortion cases because they'd lose support from the church, maybe it's along those lines.

It's still ridiculous though. Religion should have no place in a doctor's clinic. If YOU wanted to refuse treatment based on religious grounds then that's your right, but he shouldn't be able to withhold options because of his own beliefs.

1) It's not a matter of prescribing the birth control pills if one is married or unmarried- it's a matter of having a medical diagnosis to justify approval by the church and insurance company for that matter.

2) Its not also a matter of the MDs beliefs. Doent necessarily mean that bcoz the MDs work for Catholic Institutions that they believe in what they are bound by the contract with such church. Nope that's not always the case ;)
 
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