Do you think she should be fired?
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Johnfromokc
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Make one mistake and lose your livelihood? Who was harmed here? And I'm a veteran, and my father was a World War 2 Army vet plus two uncles in the Navy and USMC were WW2 vets as well.
BFD
BFD
I personally don't think she should be fired for such a silly act..
Yah it may have been stupid but she did not deface or damage any of the site according to the article..
Had she ( deface or damaged the property ), I could understand the outrage, but she only acted stupid for the camera.
Personally I would not act that way, and always show respect but again you need only look at how people act in parking lots and malls..
But than again, in today's society where a cartoon or words get's people killed, who knows.. :willy_nilly:
Yah it may have been stupid but she did not deface or damage any of the site according to the article..
Had she ( deface or damaged the property ), I could understand the outrage, but she only acted stupid for the camera.
Personally I would not act that way, and always show respect but again you need only look at how people act in parking lots and malls..
But than again, in today's society where a cartoon or words get's people killed, who knows.. :willy_nilly:
Johnfromokc
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We have become a "Society of the Offended".
Every time I see a military cemetary, I wonder why all those people really had to die. That's the real tragedy. But instead of asking why all those graves in the first place, people get all "outraged" over a silly photo. Welcome to America 2012.
Nov 12 ( right after Veterans Day ) called Remembrance Day we had vandalism at one of our sites.. That I cannot condone.. :thumbdown
http://www.canada.com/news/Toronto+memorial+defaced+Remembrance/7536146/story.html
Joe the meek
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The only reason she should be fired is for stupidy for putting that picture up on her face book.
Dumb act, people make mistakes. She made a mistake and should not lose her job over it IMO.
Dumb act, people make mistakes. She made a mistake and should not lose her job over it IMO.
I was on her side until I read that the trip was paid for by the company she works for. If the trip was paid for by her company, she was acting as a company representative. They're w/in their rights to fire her, IMO, but I think a reprimand will suffice.
To be fair, my view may be somewhat skewed b/c I am held responsible for personal actions while off-duty simply b/c people know who I work for and our SOP has a clause saying we are to uphold the values of the Sheriff's Department in all aspects of our lives and not perform any actions that bring discredit to the department.
To be fair, my view may be somewhat skewed b/c I am held responsible for personal actions while off-duty simply b/c people know who I work for and our SOP has a clause saying we are to uphold the values of the Sheriff's Department in all aspects of our lives and not perform any actions that bring discredit to the department.
Joe the meek
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From a DUI blog in 2010...
Perhaps it's the unions keeping those cops on the force in NYC?
New York, NY. March 8 — All of the 55 NYPD cops charged with drunk driving since 1999 pleaded down to non-felony charges and almost every single one of them remained on the force. Although the NYPD can fire any cop "who causes serious physical injury to another person while operating a motor vehicle and is determined to be unfit for duty due to the consumption of alcohol," a news investigation reveals that officers accused of drunk driving often keep their jobs after pleading guilty to lesser offenses like driving while impaired or disorderly conduct.
An NYPD spokesman said officers convicted of felonies are automatically fired, but those who plead down or are convicted of misdemeanors can be punished with suspension, loss of vacation days, alcohol counseling, and probation. Several cops have been accused of drunk driving in recent months, including Officer Andrew Kelly, who hit and killed a preacher’s daughter, Detective Kevin Spellman, who hit and killed a Bronx grandmother, and other cops who crashed into a Tiffany’s store and struck a parked car.
Some cops accused of drunk driving, like Officer Donald Haines, say they’re lucky they’re still on the force. Haines—who joined the NYPD although he had pleaded guilty to driving impaired in 1998—was charged with drunk driving for jumping a curb in Long Island in 2007. After refusing to take a sobriety test and a chemical test, he pleaded guilty to another count of driving while impaired and was ordered to perform 50 hours of community service and pay a $1,000 fine. "All I can say is, I still have my job and I’m very grateful," he said.
Others, like retired detective Daniel Massanova, were unrepentant. Five years before retiring with a pension in January, Massanova pleaded guilty to driving impaired after swerving into oncoming traffic and colliding with another car, injuring two women. He refused a Breathalyzer at the scene and was later found to have a blood alcohol level of .11. "Two girls hit me. … They weren’t two old ladies coming home from BINGO, you know what I mean? They were out drinking and drugging," he said. "If I was such a bad guy, why did I work the last 2-1/2 years in the chief of detectives office unsupervised and alone?" he asked. "I had a couple beers in me and I’m the bad guy because I’m a cop."
An NYPD spokesman said officers convicted of felonies are automatically fired, but those who plead down or are convicted of misdemeanors can be punished with suspension, loss of vacation days, alcohol counseling, and probation. Several cops have been accused of drunk driving in recent months, including Officer Andrew Kelly, who hit and killed a preacher’s daughter, Detective Kevin Spellman, who hit and killed a Bronx grandmother, and other cops who crashed into a Tiffany’s store and struck a parked car.
Some cops accused of drunk driving, like Officer Donald Haines, say they’re lucky they’re still on the force. Haines—who joined the NYPD although he had pleaded guilty to driving impaired in 1998—was charged with drunk driving for jumping a curb in Long Island in 2007. After refusing to take a sobriety test and a chemical test, he pleaded guilty to another count of driving while impaired and was ordered to perform 50 hours of community service and pay a $1,000 fine. "All I can say is, I still have my job and I’m very grateful," he said.
Others, like retired detective Daniel Massanova, were unrepentant. Five years before retiring with a pension in January, Massanova pleaded guilty to driving impaired after swerving into oncoming traffic and colliding with another car, injuring two women. He refused a Breathalyzer at the scene and was later found to have a blood alcohol level of .11. "Two girls hit me. … They weren’t two old ladies coming home from BINGO, you know what I mean? They were out drinking and drugging," he said. "If I was such a bad guy, why did I work the last 2-1/2 years in the chief of detectives office unsupervised and alone?" he asked. "I had a couple beers in me and I’m the bad guy because I’m a cop."
It's the same way around here, too. But they do receive punishment. It's pretty common for those who mess up to be sent to the jail to work. That's not specific to MY agency...it happens a lot locally.
I don't think it's a matter of people having a stick in their ass. It's completely disrespectful and people have the right to be outraged. Calling for her to be fired and destroying her livelihood b/c of it, yeah, that's too much...but she WAS being stupid and disrespectful. Anybody that's ever visited the tomb of the Unknown Soldier and seen the Changing of the Guards can tell you how touching it is. I literally stood there and watched it about 5 times.
It's a matter of common sense. If you want to be disrespectful and stupid, do so...but don't come crying to me if you get called out on it.
It's a matter of common sense. If you want to be disrespectful and stupid, do so...but don't come crying to me if you get called out on it.
Joe the meek
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People need to mind their own fucking business, honestly. I don't care if she was on company time or not. It was a joke. Whether or not it was lame or not is beside the point. People created a fucking FACEBOOK page to get this girl fired. I think that is pathetic. They do not know this individual and they are fucking with her life over something silly. Get the fuck offline and do something productive. I don't go on sites with things I don't agree with and put up a stink.
Pot calling the kettle black. For some reason, your nieces or nephews come to mind
What? Not even sure wtf you're saying...
Dana, do you even understand that it is extremely disrespectful??? It's not "lame" or "a joke." It is disrespectful. You don't have to be a Veteran or Active Duty to think she was out of line. Yes, starting a petition to get her fired is a bit much, I agree, but she shouldn't be shocked that people are outraged. She obviously needs to improve her decision making skills in the immediate future.
I respect those that I know personally who have served. That's about it. Sorry if you don't agree with my opinion. I think you could be the utmost diligent individual for your country and be a total dickhead in your personal life. Should I respect an asshole because he served?
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