Dnc 2008

[gLing]

Change means a tax code that doesn't reward the lobbyists who wrote it, but the American workers and small businesses who deserve it.

Unlike John McCain, I will stop giving tax breaks to corporations that ship jobs overseas, and I will start giving them to companies that create good jobs right here in America.

I will eliminate capital gains taxes for the small businesses and the start-ups that will create the high-wage, high-tech jobs of tomorrow.

I will cut taxes - cut taxes - for 95% of all working families. Because in an economy like this, the last thing we should do is raise taxes on the middle-class.

It seems every presidential candidate makes promises similar to these.

 

[Flute]

Obama is a great orator and has a lot of charisma. Besides that, his speech was full of the same old political rhetoric used by everyone. I would rip apart his speech, but I do not really feel like putting the time and effort into doing that.

Can't wait for next week though when McCain gives his speech. If I can go without falling asleep 30 seconds in, I will be amazed.

 

[Minor Axis]

Excerpts from Barack Obama DNC Acceptance Speech 28 Aug 08:

But the record's clear: John McCain has voted with George Bush ninety percent of the time. Senator McCain likes to talk about judgment, but really, what does it say about your judgment when you think George Bush has been right more than ninety percent of the time? I don't know about you, but I'm not ready to take a ten percent chance on change.

The truth is, on issue after issue that would make a difference in your lives - on health care and education and the economy - Senator McCain has been anything but independent. He said that our economy has made "great progress" under this President. He said that the fundamentals of the economy are strong. And when one of his chief advisors - the man who wrote his economic plan - was talking about the anxiety Americans are feeling, he said that we were just suffering from a "mental recession," and that we've become, and I quote, "a nation of whiners.

Here is the essence of Republican philosophy. It's called trickle down economics. Give the cake to the rich and let the regular people eat the crumbs that fall off the plate:

For over two decades, he's subscribed to that old, discredited Republican philosophy - give more and more to those with the most and hope that prosperity trickles down to everyone else. In Washington, they call this the Ownership Society, but what it really means is - you're on your own. Out of work? Tough luck. No health care? The market will fix it. Born into poverty? Pull yourself up by your own bootstraps - even if you don't have boots. You're on your own.

Well it's time for them to own their failure. It's time for us to change America.

 

[Strauss]

Obama is a great orator and has a lot of charisma. Besides that, his speech was full of the same old political rhetoric used by everyone. I would rip apart his speech, but I do not really feel like putting the time and effort into doing that.

Can't wait for next week though when McCain gives his speech. If I can go without falling asleep 30 seconds in, I will be amazed.

Point well made. Essentially Obama met the expectations that any reasonable person would have. Face it, the basics of the speech were laid out six months ago and an army of speech writers have been working on it for the last two months. And Obama has been practicing it for the last two weeks with the further support of a teleprompter. Had his performance been even a little less than what it was last night it would have been a failure.

What will be the more interesting thing to observe is Obama without the teleprompter, having to respond off the cuff. As you will recall in his debates with Hillary he stub his toe often and had to release "clarifications" after his performance. I suspect this is why he doesn't want to do "town hall meetings" with McCain because, in "theory" there are no controls over what a person could ask. BTW, I understand that McCain isn't any better. It could be a case of watching the bumbling idiot stumble over the bumbling idiot.

 

[Minor Axis]

BTW, I understand that McCain isn't any better. It could be a case of watching the bumbling idiot stumble over the bumbling idiot.

Except Obama is not a bumbling idiot. You need to reexamine his resume. And this guy when he had financial opportunity handed to him on a platter felt it was more important to help his fellow man/woman. It's a standard we should all aspire too.

 

[Alien Allen]

Except Obama is not a bumbling idiot. You need to reexamine his resume. And this guy when he had financial opportunity handed to him on a platter felt it was more important to help his fellow man/woman. It's a standard we should all aspire too.

bull shit

he like any other senator is obsessed with power. and give me a break about the great service provided at the cost of other opportunities. these clowns don't walk away broke. they end up millionaires.

 

[Minor Axis]

bull shit

he like any other senator is obsessed with power. and give me a break about the great service provided at the cost of other opportunities. these clowns don't walk away broke. they end up millionaires.

Are you the CYNIC or what? So the basis of your argument is that your clown is better than the other clown? Very good...

 

[gLing]

Are you the CYNIC or what? So the basis of your argument is that your clown is better than the other clown? Very good...

And the basis of your argument is you love this man so much that you wear blinders where he is concerned. And you claim to be independent. :24:

 

[Alien Allen]

And the basis of your argument is you love this man so much that you wear blinders where he is concerned. And you claim to be independent. :24:

ouch that one had to hurt :24:

 

[Minor Axis]

And the basis of your argument is you love this man so much that you wear blinders where he is concerned. And you claim to be independent. :24:

Be careful with your blinder argument as there are plenty to go around in this forum.

Alien's argument is that they are all clowns but he is still going to pick one. And your going to ping on me for picking a Democrat, the only one who has a possibility of winning who I agree with? Your wit is unsurpassed.

 

[gLing]

Be careful with your blinder argument as there are plenty to go around in this forum.

Alien's argument is that they are all clowns but he is still going to pick one. And your going to ping on me for picking a Democrat, the only one who has a possibility of winning who I agree with? Your wit is unsurpassed.

Of course you agree with him, you're a democrat. Democrats do no wrong.

 

[Tim]

You guys are so funny... everyone here is guilty of having partisan blinders on...

 

[Alien Allen]

Be careful with your blinder argument as there are plenty to go around in this forum.

Alien's argument is that they are all clowns but he is still going to pick one. And your going to ping on me for picking a Democrat, the only one who has a possibility of winning who I agree with? Your wit is unsurpassed.

my point had nothing to do with them all being clowns.

nice attempt at distraction though on your part.

it had to do with your making an issue about Obama forsaking riches in the private sector in exchange for doing public service. congressmen and women get rich. hardly any of em walk away without million(s) ergo there is no sacrifice for those in congress.

 

[Minor Axis]

my point had nothing to do with them all being clowns.

nice attempt at distraction though on your part.

it had to do with your making an issue about Obama forsaking riches in the private sector in exchange for doing public service. congressmen and women get rich. hardly any of em walk away without million(s) ergo there is no sacrifice for those in congress.

Nothing to do with clowns? Distraction? Starting to see things that aren't there or are you just emulating your forum hero?

these clowns don't walk away broke.

Oh, were the plural clowns just my favorites and not yours?

Of course you agree with him, you're a democrat. Democrats do no wrong.

You want to bet I'm a Democrat? You'll lose. Yes, yes, I know, "but spiritually you are a Democrat.". You, someone who will not be named or some other genius will spit this out along with moveon.org for good measure. I can't help it I'm a Clinton Independent... Actually Democrats have, can, and will do plenty of wrong. But they are less evil than the current Republican leadership. (not an attack on rank and file Republicans.)

 

[Alien Allen]

Minor I noticed your reading comprehension problem is consistent. Or you just want to ignore the point I made about Obama not sacrificing anything by going into public service??

 

[gLing]

You want to bet I'm a Democrat? You'll lose. Yes, yes, I know, "but spiritually you are a Democrat.". You, someone who will not be named or some other genius will spit this out along with moveon.org for good measure. I can't help it I'm a Clinton Independent... Actually Democrats have, can, and will do plenty of wrong. But they are less evil than the current Republican leadership. (not an attack on rank and file Republicans.)

Yes I'll bet. You are so utterly devoted that I am positive about it.

 

[Strauss]

Except Obama is not a bumbling idiot. You need to reexamine his resume. And this guy when he had financial opportunity handed to him on a platter felt it was more important to help his fellow man/woman. It's a standard we should all aspire too.

Your inability to identify a bumbling idiot doesn't make the bumbling idiot less so.

 

[Maulds]

In his speech last night (which I referred to at work today as the televised second coming of Jesus) Obama made a point to say that he was ready to debate McCain on the issues, but judging by the weakness of his answers at the forum with McCain 2 weeks ago I think he still needs a lot of coaching before he can consider himself ready for that. Obviously his wife responds to the coaching and handling much better than him, she didn't even gag when she said she loves this country. I was amazed.

 

[Minor Axis]

Your inability to identify a bumbling idiot doesn't make the bumbling idiot less so.

You've made an accusation with no basis, a typical Republican tactic.

Yes I'll bet. You are so utterly devoted that I am positive about it.

You lost, darn.

 

[Strauss]

You've made an accusation with no basis, a typical Republican tactic.

There you again making it up as you go along. I have posted why Obama (and McCain) are bumbling idiots; the fact that you may not have read it doesn't mean it didn't occur. BTW, your response did not address the issue presented but then again most of your responses don't.