Detainees, Even if Acquitted, Might Not Go Free

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Detainees, Even if Acquitted, Might Not Go Free - WSJ.com

WASHINGTON -- The Obama administration said Tuesday it could continue to imprison non-U.S. citizens indefinitely even if they have been acquitted of terrorism charges by a U.S. military commission.
Jeh Johnson, the Defense Department's chief lawyer, told the Senate Armed Services Committee that releasing a detainee who has been tried and found not guilty was a policy decision that officials would make based on their estimate of whether the prisoner posed a future threat.
Like the Bush administration, the Obama administration argues that the legal basis for indefinite detention of aliens it considers dangerous is separate from war-crimes prosecutions. Officials say that the laws of war allow indefinite detention to prevent aliens from committing warlike acts in future, while prosecution by military commission aims to punish them for war crimes committed in the past.
Mr. Johnson said such prisoners held without trial would receive "some form of periodic review" that could lead to their release.
Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, a leading Republican on detainee policy, approved. "Some of them will be able to get out of jail because they've rehabilitated themselves and some of them may in fact die in jail," Mr. Graham said. But "I don't want to put people in a dark hole forever" simply "because somebody like Dick Cheney, or you fill in the blank with a politician, said so."
Also at the hearing, Obama administration officials differed with the Navy's senior uniformed lawyer over whether coerced statements should be used to convict Guantanamo defendants.
David Kris, head of the Justice Department's National Security Division, warned that federal courts might reverse convictions in military commissions if they were based on coerced statements.
Vice Adm. Bruce MacDonald, giving his independent opinion as the Navy's judge advocate general, testified that the standard should be whether a statement was "reliable," rather than whether it was coerced.
The question could be central to whether military-commission convictions stand up. Military prosecutors have said that involuntary statements make up the lion's share of evidence against detainees.
Congress is considering several proposals for trying Guantanamo detainees. The issue is one of several administration officials are struggling to resolve so they can meet President Barack Obama's commitment to close the Guantanamo prison by January.
While Mr. Obama wants to continue in modified form the commissions conceived under former President George W. Bush, officials said the administration favors an expiration date for the experiment unless reauthorized by Congress.
After some trials are held, "a fresh look" could be useful, Mr. Kris said.
The offshore prison holds about 229 detainees. The administration plans to release some prisoners, while others could be tried in federal court, by military commission or held indefinitely without trial.
Some House Democrats say the limited number of additional protections for defendants the administration has proposed don't go far enough.
Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D., N.Y.), who has scheduled a Wednesday hearing on military commissions before the House Judiciary subcommittee he heads, questioned the administration's plan to allot prisoners to federal courts, military commissions or indefinite detention.
"What bothers me is that they seem to be saying, 'Some people we have good enough evidence against, so we'll give them a fair trial. Some people the evidence is not so good, so we'll give them a less fair trial. We'll give them just enough due process to ensure a conviction because we know they're guilty. That's not a fair trial, that's a show trial," Mr. Nadler said.


Wow, this kind of shocked me. Why even bother with trials if you're going to hold them anyway?There was plenty of people who said Bush made a mockery of justice with the military tribunals, but this is a thousand times worse in my opinion.
 
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i thought obama was gonna shut it down and release them all
:dunno Seems like they're trying to have it both ways. We're gonna give everyone fair trials, then keep the ones we don't want to let go.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not opposed to the indefinite detentions (partly because of crap like this: Former Gitmo Inmate Leading Fight Against U.S. in Helmand - Political News - FOXNews.com ). But I can't see giving them a trial and then not abiding by the results.
 

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Yeah, well, can't be having people talking to the press about what really went on there can we?

Just wait until it's Americans who disagree with the way things are going... I'm sure you've heard of the Preventative Detentions being bandied about haven't you?

American Citizens are not excluded in the Military Commissions Act...... Don't it make you feel all warm & cozy & safe?
 

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That is f-ed up man. If your acquitted doesn't that mean you go free? Well on the flip side some people who could be acquitted could actually have been terrorists so who knows?
 

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Perhaps it's because 'liberals' already realize the 'Rule of Law' is no more as it was thrown under the bus by the Bush Administration?

Or, perhaps they all passed out at the realization that the Rule of Law was thrown under the bus and is apparently staying thrown under the bus with this administration?

But hey, at least BarryBatEars can speak intelligently more often than Dubya ever could. Plus, so far we haven't heard him say God is telling him to bring democracy to other countries by invading them. A couple of steps forward ;)
 

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Barack HW (Hussein Walker) Obushma. :24::24:

Oh he's different from Bush, all right. It's much better to have a Harvard Magna Cum Laude pretend to give fair trials then keep prisoners anyway, than for some simpleton just do it straight out without the pretty promises. :sarcasm :fing27
 

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Yeah, that is bad. Still, do you think the Repubicans would be trying them and releasing those found innocent if they were in power?
 

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Keep this in mind- the Bush Administration set this shitty situation up. Having said that, indefinite detention is not an option if you have one shred civil liberties in you. These people should have trails. If there is inadequate evidence to convict or try them, then they should be released to their home countries. It's a pretty simple concept. I will hold this against Obama if his administration decides to hold them for the rest of their lives. That would be BS!
 

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Keep this in mind- the Bush Administration set this shitty situation up. Having said that, indefinite detention is not an option if you have one shred civil liberties in you. These people should have trails. If there is inadequate evidence to convict or try them, then they should be released to their home countries. It's a pretty simple concept. I will hold this against Obama if his administration decides to hold them for the rest of their lives. That would be BS!
For the rest of their lives??!? :24::24:
So it's okay if they keep them, so long as there is a trial (the outcome having no bearing at all on a release decision) and that they get to go home in time to die.
 

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For the rest of their lives??!? :24::24:
So it's okay if they keep them, so long as there is a trial (the outcome having no bearing at all on a release decision) and that they get to go home in time to die.

Most of them haven't even been charged with anything yet.

If the tables were turned and some country did this to American citizens what do you ( anybody ) think the outcome would be.

I say shame on America.
 

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For the rest of their lives??!? :24::24:
So it's okay if they keep them, so long as there is a trial (the outcome having no bearing at all on a release decision) and that they get to go home in time to die.

Those are your words, not mine. The problem is with "indefinite detention". If you're having trouble with the concept, it means held for some period of time (1-30-more) years without due process under the law. My comment is that they deserve a trial, not a kangaroo court and if there is not enough evidence or they are found innocent, they should be released. Is comprehension that hard?
 

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Most of them haven't even been charged with anything yet.

If the tables were turned and some country did this to American citizens what do you ( anybody ) think the outcome would be.

I say shame on America.
Hear Hear!!

Those are your words, not mine. The problem is with "indefinite detention". If you're having trouble with the concept, it means held for some period of time (1-30-more) years without due process under the law. My comment is that they deserve a trial, not a kangaroo court and if there is not enough evidence or they are found innocent, they should be released. Is comprehension that hard?
Good. I've never been so happy to have been wrong.
 

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I say ship them all back to whatever their original country was. Figuratively stamp them with a reject stamp on their forehead. Add them to every no fly list & ship them back. What happens to them where they land is of no concern to us.
 

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How easy is it to make anyone fit the criteria Obama lined out. It's laying the groundwork for America's first political prisoners. It's time for this wanne be despot to go. :mad:mad
 
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