Dems and Repubs are different ... as different as mirrors

[robdawg1]

Obama repealed no child left behind which was a borken system punishing schools who need the most help, and standardizing education so strictly that schools with special needs/education programs were docked because those scores were counted equal to kids in general classes.

Obama repealed don't ask don't tell in the military, Obama passed his "obama care" which provides access to health care for Millions of Americans who wouldn't otherwise have access to it, Obama has created multiple Job Recovery Acts which are shot down by republican controlled congress simply to stop the Obama admistration from passing anything, not for the best interest of the country!


This is just to name a few....how is this failure?

 

[Accountable]

NCLB was unconstitutional, as is federal standardization.

DADT was Clinton's baby, lauded by dems & cursed by repubs.

The unconstitutional ACA is yet another example of contempt for the rule of law.

Repubs don't control Congress and have not for President Obama's entire term, only the House. But follow the money. Notice that during the kabuki show on The Hill, the corporate sponsors have been making a killing ... that's ALL the corporate sponsors, not just the ones traditionally thought of as repub ones.

 

[The Man]

Perhaps he should be doing others things like jump starting the economy rather than treat his position as a personal playground.
I dont see how making children learn is a bad thing.
As far as dont ask dont tell in the military ...that is how it should have stayed.
The queers used to be booted out for being queer...the policy was changed to..dont ask dont tell.
This was not changed in the sense you think as it doesnt go back to old policy
Whether the guy is queer or not is none of my any one elses business.,,and they should not be subjected to that question while joining the military...what difference does it make.
As far as health care...mandated healthcare...its essentially the same mandation that would require me to shave my balls...or require life insurance on the wife in case of the death of a husband.
You do also understand that the quality of healthcare will deteriorate due to mandated guidelines associated with care

 

[Accountable]

Perhaps he should be doing others things like jump starting the economy rather than treat his position as a personal playground.

He should be leaving the economy the fuck alone instead of prolonging the recession.

I dont see how making children learn is a bad thing.

Not really relevant. It's not a federal issue until we vote to ratify a new amendment.

 

[The Man]

He should be leaving the economy the fuck alone instead of prolonging the recession.


Not really relevant. It's not a federal issue until we vote to ratify a new amendment.

He should be leaving the economy the fuck alone instead of prolonging the recession.

Good way of putting it.

Not really relevant. It's not a federal issue until we vote to ratify a new amendment.

Got you

 

[robdawg1]

Perhaps he should be doing others things like jump starting the economy rather than treat his position as a personal playground.

How would he be making it his personal play ground. he is putting millions of dollars in tax grants and breaks for instituting new smal businesses, and hiring local workers etc. He put millions of dollars to regenerate our auto industry when they were on the brink of dragging the country down irreperably. what did he "play" with?

I dont see how making children learn is a bad thing.

You have to understand the standardization of education is not only bad, but to do it on a federal level is unconstitutional. That is why Obama had to fix that issue! oh wait...that would be another positive accomplishment!

As far as dont ask dont tell in the military ...that is how it should have stayed.
The queers used to be booted out for being queer...the policy was changed to..dont ask dont tell.
This was not changed in the sense you think as it doesnt go back to old policy
Whether the guy is queer or not is none of my any one elses business.,,and they should not be subjected to that question while joining the military...what difference does it make.

Just a fyi "queer" is very offensive, please don't use it unless you are trying to be insulting. second, it is very different as to what it was before don't ask don't tell. Prior to that you would be discharged upon discovery of homosexuality. now you can be openly gay and serve your country proudly...you can even have benefits for your partner the same as a male/female marriage! If you are against this you are against equal rights for all people!

As far as health care...mandated healthcare...its essentially the same mandation that would require me to shave my balls...or require life insurance on the wife in case of the death of a husband.
You do also understand that the quality of healthcare will deteriorate due to mandated guidelines associated with care[/QUOTE]

 

[The Man]

How would he be making it his personal play ground. he is putting millions of dollars in tax grants and breaks for instituting new smal businesses, and hiring local workers etc. He put millions of dollars to regenerate our auto industry when they were on the brink of dragging the country down irreperably. what did he "play" with?



You have to understand the standardization of education is not only bad, but to do it on a federal level is unconstitutional. That is why Obama had to fix that issue! oh wait...that would be another positive accomplishment!





Just a fyi "queer" is very offensive, please don't use it unless you are trying to be insulting. second, it is very different as to what it was before don't ask don't tell. Prior to that you would be discharged upon discovery of homosexuality. now you can be openly gay and serve your country proudly...you can even have benefits for your partner the same as a male/female marriage! If you are against this you are against equal rights for all people!

As far as health care...mandated healthcare...its essentially the same mandation that would require me to shave my balls...or require life insurance on the wife in case of the death of a husband.
You do also understand that the quality of healthcare will deteriorate due to mandated guidelines associated with care

[/QUOTE]

How would he be making it his personal play ground. he is putting millions of dollars in tax grants and breaks for instituting new smal businesses, and hiring local workers etc. He put millions of dollars to regenerate our auto industry when they were on the brink of dragging the country down irreperably. what did he "play" with?

First lets try hundreds of executive orders...rather that run many bills through congress he just whips out a pen and we have new law in effect.
His approach at small business growth isnt working...its pretty simple...he is dragging us down as fast as he can try to do his own repair.

Just a fyi "queer" is very offensive, please don't use it unless you are trying to be insulting. second, it is very different as to what it was before don't ask don't tell. Prior to that you would be discharged upon discovery of homosexuality. now you can be openly gay and serve your country proudly...you can even have benefits for your partner the same as a male/female marriage! If you are against this you are against equal rights for all people!

Nothing offensive about it...slang changes regularly ..at one time queer wasnt an offensive but now it is?..gay will be offensive next week I suspect.
If i say someone is queer it is not meant to be offensive,,it simply means they are a queer.
I already stated under the old policy before dont ask dont tell that one would be discharged for homosexuality.
The military is not a sexual playground...no one needs to be "openly gay" or "openly straight"..just go about your business
But anyway he should let the military do its job and leave em the fuck alone.

Again goes back to his personal playground....fucking meddling with nothing but the social and moral aspects of life like some sort of a god.
This could be something he could work on after he takes care of the first order of business..which he is failing at as well.

 

[Minor Axis]

Obama repealed no child left behind which was a borken system punishing schools who need the most help, and standardizing education so strictly that schools with special needs/education programs were docked because those scores were counted equal to kids in general classes.

Obama repealed don't ask don't tell in the military, Obama passed his "obama care" which provides access to health care for Millions of Americans who wouldn't otherwise have access to it, Obama has created multiple Job Recovery Acts which are shot down by republican controlled congress simply to stop the Obama admistration from passing anything, not for the best interest of the country!


This is just to name a few....how is this failure?

I'd give you more rep, if I did not have to spread it around.

 

[robdawg1]

I'd give you more rep, if I did not have to spread it around.

Thanks, I appreciate the thought!

 

[The Man]

I'd give you more rep, if I did not have to spread it around.

Then rep me as I am here..to make it easier to rep your fellow democrat.
But back to the point
repealed dont ask dont tell
On going school legislation...which not everyone agrees on anyway.
Obama care.

You consider this a major accomplishment?
We are fucking hurting here...no one gives a shit about that stuff right now.
We are buckling at the knees as our nation falls while the dickhead keeps bush policy in effect.
Then does stupid shit and drastically increases the debt.
Ye haw Obama...you are a democrat so that makes it ok.

 

[robdawg1]

But back to the point
repealed dont ask dont tell
On going school legislation...which not everyone agrees on anyway.
Obama care.
You consider this a major accomplishment?
We are fucking hurting here...no one gives a shit about that stuff right now.

I have 2 children in a school system that suffered tremendously as a result of NCLB. I very much give a shit about this issue!!

Interesting thing about you Man, is that you yell and scream about Obama and the economic mess that he has made great strides to fix what his predecessor destroyed. A Republican administration destroys the economy, and republicans are quick to point a finger at the Democrat who didnt even do it, and is trying his best to fix it while they are roadblocking his every attempt!!

 

[robdawg1]

BTW list of Obama's economic accomplishments

• The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, known as "the stimulus package", produced or saved almost 1.9 million jobs and as many as 4.7 million in 2010. According to the Congressional Budget Office, the almost $80 billion bailout of the American auto industry may "cost" taxpayers only $15 billion. Restructured and reorganized with new goals and incentives, both General Motors and Chrysler vehicles continue to demonstrate strong sales. After an absence of years, tractor-trailer car haulers are again commonly seen on our Interstates.

• The Lily Ledbetter Fair Pay Act designed to reduce sex discrimination as demonstrated by unequal gender pay rates.


• The Obama administration has also overseen reform and stricter financial regulation of consumer credit card rules, limiting the degree to which credit card companies could gouge consumers.

• Some of the stimulus money was used by the Obama administration to prevent public school teacher layoffs while more was used in a carrot approach to encourage states to adopt education reforms, such as his Race to The Top initiative.

• An expanded and reorganized student loan program with a special emphasis on community college programs has been a priority from early in Obama's administration, well before the recent countdown and challenge for the Republican-led Congress to extend the cap on student loan interest rates.

• 4.5 million new jobs have been created under Obama's presidency including 3.8 million non-farm private sector jobs.

• Just to show you your error in growth of National Debt

 

[The Man]

And how did they suffer as a result NCLB..its merely a couple tests a year to evaluate a schools progress by a measure of its students progress.
Let me guess because it was enacted when the reps were in office.:eek
This came about as an effort to intercept any slack schools..for the best interest of the children.
Lets face it...we have people out there that had were merely pushed through the system..This addresses that problem.

 

[robdawg1]

And how did they suffer as a result NCLB..its merely a couple tests a year to evaluate a schools progress by a measure of its students progress.
Let me guess because it was enacted when the reps were in office.:eek
This came about as an effort to intercept any slack schools..for the best interest of the children.
Lets face it...we have people out there that had were merely pushed through the system..This addresses that problem.

They suffered because if the school didn't have a certain performance on these standardized tests, then the funding was cut as punishment. It is proven that children from lower income rural or inner city areas perform at a slower level than your private schools or your wealthier suburban schools. to expect the same results from all of them is insane, which was why the NCLB act was repealed!!

 

[The Man]

They suffered because if the school didn't have a certain performance on these standardized tests, then the funding was cut as punishment. It is proven that children from lower income rural or inner city areas perform at a slower level than your private schools or your wealthier suburban schools. to expect the same results from all of them is insane, which was why the NCLB act was repealed!!

So why should a rural school have a lower performance?...As they arent teaching...pretty simple.
The solution...teach the kids....receive the funds.
And of course a private school is going to have better results as they will curb your ass for doing poorly.
As far as inner city verses wealthier schools...you are talking a difference in the attitude of the children ...do you really expect a bunch of juvenile delinquents to give a shit?
NCLB was a good idea as it put pressure on a school to make sure the student learns...how can you be against that?

 

[robdawg1]

So why should a rural school have a lower performance?...As they arent teaching...pretty simple.
The solution...teach the kids....receive the funds.
And of course a private school is going to have better results as they will curb your ass for doing poorly.
As far as inner city verses wealthier schools...you are talking a difference in the attitude of the children ...do you really expect a bunch of juvenile delinquents to give a shit?
NCLB was a good idea as it put pressure on a school to make sure the student learns...how can you be against that?

You are so off base on this. It isnt the kids, it is the lack of funding from local taxes that cut back on resources, and equipment. it is the 30-40 children per classroom with one teacher because the school is too small and there is no money or space to pay more teachers or put kids in smaller classrooms, much less having the money to build new schools.

Are you really this in the dark or are you being difficult on purpose?

 

[The Man]

BTW list of Obama's economic accomplishments

• The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, known as "the stimulus package", produced or saved almost 1.9 million jobs and as many as 4.7 million in 2010. According to the Congressional Budget Office, the almost $80 billion bailout of the American auto industry may "cost" taxpayers only $15 billion. Restructured and reorganized with new goals and incentives, both General Motors and Chrysler vehicles continue to demonstrate strong sales. After an absence of years, tractor-trailer car haulers are again commonly seen on our Interstates.

• The Lily Ledbetter Fair Pay Act designed to reduce sex discrimination as demonstrated by unequal gender pay rates.


• The Obama administration has also overseen reform and stricter financial regulation of consumer credit card rules, limiting the degree to which credit card companies could gouge consumers.

• Some of the stimulus money was used by the Obama administration to prevent public school teacher layoffs while more was used in a carrot approach to encourage states to adopt education reforms, such as his Race to The Top initiative.

• An expanded and reorganized student loan program with a special emphasis on community college programs has been a priority from early in Obama's administration, well before the recent countdown and challenge for the Republican-led Congress to extend the cap on student loan interest rates.

• 4.5 million new jobs have been created under Obama's presidency including 3.8 million non-farm private sector jobs.

• Just to show you your error in growth of National Debt

The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, known as "the stimulus package", produced or saved almost 1.9 million jobs and as many as 4.7 million in 2010. According to the Congressional Budget Office, the almost $80 billion bailout of the American auto industry may "cost" taxpayers only $15 billion. Restructured and reorganized with new goals and incentives, both General Motors and Chrysler vehicles continue to demonstrate strong sales. After an absence of years, tractor-trailer car haulers are again commonly seen on our Interstates

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How did it save jobs?...whose jobs did it save?..what jobs did it create.
As far as the auto bail out fuck em..they should have let em suffer it...they have did it before in the past.
Make more cars than you are selling thats your problem...completely retool and change your look radically every year thats their problem.
You noticed they kept pumping em out as they knew they would get the bail out.
As a matter of a fact..many jobs were lost in the auto industry..as Omama stripped away union powers and now the auto mfgs have about 25 percent less workers..
Ford didnt take a bail out....nor did any other mfgs in the transportation industry...Kinda odd
I will answer part of the question I asked you further up in the post...roads and bridges..you guessed it temporary work.
And a total waste of money...road replacement bridge replacement before their time is a waste of money...akin to throwing a tire away with two thirds tread to get new ones or painting a house that needs it every 20 years at 10 years....what a fucking waste.

To further roads and bridges were already on a schedule...these people were not out of work...while jobs may have been created it was a waste..not to mention only temporary work...the perfect way to spend money fast..have some temp jobs and then use those fucking figures for the rest of the duration of being president...brilliant.

The Lily Ledbetter Fair Pay Act designed to reduce sex discrimination as demonstrated by unequal gender pay rates.

There was no discrimination...when a place hires for a position they dont say starting wage 18 bucks for men and 13 bucks for women.
Raises are handed out due to performance...you either get a raise or you dont....not all people make the same that do the same job.
If one feels they are getting fucked,then go work somewhere else.
And lets face it...lets be blunt a man can do many jobs better than a woman and a woman can do many jobs better than a man.

This stupid act has only opened the door for abuse by the worker..."Give me more money..joe makes such and such"
But more importantly the bitch can sue your ass when your fire her as she will claim it is to not give the raise she insisted upon.
Ok so she was the lowest paid in her department...someone had to be right.
Wages ranged from 3727 a month to 5636 a month with all kinds of various figures in between.
Hmm...should the men also get as much as the other men?...Fuck to be fair they should all make 5636 a month...but no they were men and ...I guess he gets more because he is more man?..wouldnt that be discrimination?

The Obama administration has also overseen reform and stricter financial regulation of consumer credit card rules, limiting the degree to which credit card companies could gouge consumers.

Why? let the people make their own decisions on how much they want to get hammered...you know the CC companies fight for your business by being lower than the other guy.
Personally I dont feel sorry for people that spend money they dont have...then try to fuck the CC company ..these people need a good fucking by paying through the teeth to offset the cost of all the fucking the CC takes.
Remember the CC is what caused alot of the current mess..He should be interested in deterring people away from it that make it more appealing...thats Obama though.

Some of the stimulus money was used by the Obama administration to prevent public school teacher layoffs while more was used in a carrot approach to encourage states to adopt education reforms, such as his Race to The Top initiative.

Now why the fuck would they lay off teachers? they get the majority of funds from property taxes..the schools weren't subject to the same lack of work as the taco assembler down the street.

But now you approve of education reform and a race to the top..but was against NCLB ....when you just described NCLB

An expanded and reorganized student loan program with a special emphasis on community college programs has been a priority from early in Obama's administration, well before the recent countdown and challenge for the Republican-led Congress to extend the cap on student loan interest rates

Like every other president has done?...what makes his so special?...And how are they going to pay it back anyway with record breaking unemployment?

4.5 million new jobs have been created under Obama's presidency including 3.8 million non-farm private sector jobs.

As stated prior the temp jobs dont count..nor govt jobs as they are a burden and not an asset.

Just to show you your error in growth of National Debt

Did you look at your link...he raised the debt in 3 years as much as it took bush 8 years to do...sad thing is there isnt jack shit to show for it...cept some early road replacements which half was a waste of money.

And yeah..those road guys...they will have lack of work in the future...as now everything is ahead of schedule...Obama..what a moron

 

[robdawg1]

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How did it save jobs?...whose jobs did it save?..what jobs did it create.
As far as the auto bail out fuck em..they should have let em suffer it...they have did it before in the past.
Make more cars than you are selling thats your problem...completely retool and change your look radically every year thats their problem.
You noticed they kept pumping em out as they knew they would get the bail out.
As a matter of a fact..many jobs were lost in the auto industry..as Omama stripped away union powers and now the auto mfgs have about 25 percent less workers..
Ford didnt take a bail out....nor did any other mfgs in the transportation industry...Kinda odd
I will answer part of the question I asked you further up in the post...roads and bridges..you guessed it temporary work.
And a total waste of money...road replacement bridge replacement before their time is a waste of money...akin to throwing a tire away with two thirds tread to get new ones or painting a house that needs it every 20 years at 10 years....what a fucking waste.

To further roads and bridges were already on a schedule...these people were not out of work...while jobs may have been created it was a waste..not to mention only temporary work...the perfect way to spend money fast..have some temp jobs and then use those fucking figures for the rest of the duration of being president...brilliant.


There was no discrimination...when a place hires for a position they dont say starting wage 18 bucks for men and 13 bucks for women.
Raises are handed out due to performance...you either get a raise or you dont....not all people make the same that do the same job.
If one feels they are getting fucked,then go work somewhere else.
And lets face it...lets be blunt a man can do many jobs better than a woman and a woman can do many jobs better than a man.

This stupid act has only opened the door for abuse by the worker..."Give me more money..joe makes such and such"
But more importantly the bitch can sue your ass when your fire her as she will claim it is to not give the raise she insisted upon.
Ok so she was the lowest paid in her department...someone had to be right.
Wages ranged from 3727 a month to 5636 a month with all kinds of various figures in between.
Hmm...should the men also get as much as the other men?...Fuck to be fair they should all make 5636 a month...but no they were men and ...I guess he gets more because he is more man?..wouldnt that be discrimination?



Why? let the people make their own decisions on how much they want to get hammered...you know the CC companies fight for your business by being lower than the other guy.
Personally I dont feel sorry for people that spend money they dont have...then try to fuck the CC company ..these people need a good fucking by paying through the teeth to offset the cost of all the fucking the CC takes.
Remember the CC is what caused alot of the current mess..He should be interested in deterring people away from it that make it more appealing...thats Obama though.



Now why the fuck would they lay off teachers? they get the majority of funds from property taxes..the schools weren't subject to the same lack of work as the taco assembler down the street.

But now you approve of education reform and a race to the top..but was against NCLB ....when you just described NCLB




Like every other president has done?...what makes his so special?...And how are they going to pay it back anyway with record breaking unemployment?


As stated prior the temp jobs dont count..nor govt jobs as they are a burden and not an asset.



Did you look at your link...he raised the debt in 3 years as much as it took bush 8 years to do...sad thing is there isnt jack shit to show for it...cept some early road replacements which half was a waste of money.

And yeah..those road guys...they will have lack of work in the future...as now everything is ahead of schedule...Obama..what a moron

I thought about posting to this point by point but i am starting to realise it is a waste of my time. I feel like you don't accept the validity of my arguments when they counter yours(i.e. if obama had let the auto industry fall through then up to 4 million jobs would have been lost, as opposed to now the industry is getting back to thriving and those jobs were saved plus several more added!)
Your opinion about Obama won't change, and that is fine, it's your opinion. I don't know how much more value there is in thesxe point by point debates. I am certainly willing to see your points when they are valid and supported by research ( such as I am aware the national debt has increased but we have less income and are still spending enormous amounts of money on a war started by Bush) but i feel that some of your statements are rhetoric based with no supporting research.

 

[The Man]

I thought about posting to this point by point but i am starting to realise it is a waste of my time. I feel like you don't accept the validity of my arguments when they counter yours(i.e. if obama had let the auto industry fall through then up to 4 million jobs would have been lost, as opposed to now the industry is getting back to thriving and those jobs were saved plus several more added!)
Your opinion about Obama won't change, and that is fine, it's your opinion. I don't know how much more value there is in thesxe point by point debates. I am certainly willing to see your points when they are valid and supported by research ( such as I am aware the national debt has increased but we have less income and are still spending enormous amounts of money on a war started by Bush) but i feel that some of your statements are rhetoric based with no supporting research.

They wouldnt have folded...and as said the work force was reduced by 25 percent as they stripped away union powers...thus actually less jobs...not jobs created that you imply
had they folded they could have filed bankruptcy like the rest...the govt should not be in the business of guaranteeing success...We can be sloppy right as daddy will come to rescue us.

GM should have been left let to suffer...they were in process of globally expanding..opening new plants abroad...Why?...if you are losing money how do you expand?..why would you expand when the cars you are making arent selling?
Why invest in all this tooling when sales are down?

As far as the debt...the wars are only a small percentage of the budget...but still Obama manages to do the same damage in 3 years with one war that bush took 8 with two wars. financial wise...he should be raking in money with your logic as one war has ended
You state we have less income....how so if we have these job creations you mention?..Jobs equals taxpayers..and more importantly less people on the tit which is the major expense...an actual true shift from tit to taxpayer of just 2 percent is major in regards to the govt income..it takes several tax payers to support one person on the tit

 

[Minor Axis]

They wouldnt have folded...and as said the work force was reduced by 25 percent as they stripped away union powers...thus actually less jobs...not jobs created that you imply

You've got management people. You've got employees represented by unions. Why would anyone automatically think that management are the good guys and will always do the right thing by their employees? You know that unions exist for one reason, greedy bastard owners who don't like sharing the wealth. However management would call employees greedy by actually wanting a fair shake. That is my opinion. This is not my view that unions never fuck up, they have big time. But bottom line, they are people looking out for their best interests just like management is looking out for theirs.

Want to get rid of unions? Be fair.