Re: Democrats hope to ‘ping-pong’ Republicans out of final health care reform negotia
It sucks for sure but ultimately thats the way life is. Violating the principles of rule of law, for whatever reason, is a good way to ensure that ALL of our lives suck orders of magnitude more simply because its the invitation to tyranny and dictatorship.
Which is exactly why, if you feel that health care should be a civil right guaranteed by the US gov't, then you should follow the process we have to amend the Constitution instead of conveniently ignoring it to get what you want.
I would personally fight such an amendment as it perverts and undermines the theories of rights that we've operated under for nearly 250 years but should it pass I would accept it as the law of the land.
I am fully aware what rights are but everyone has their own interpretations. How many debates have there been on human rights through the years? The debate is far from settled concerning the finer points.
We are NOT the USSR. We operate under the theories of "negative" natural rights not "positive" natural rights because positive rights are another invitation to tyranny.
Our natural rights are only prohibitions of the actions of others against us, they do not compell anyone else to any specific action. The only rights that fall into that category are our enumerated civil rights that are designed to ensure a good relationship between the gov't and the people.
Lets do a thought excercise to examine why "positive" natural rights are inherently tyrannical. Lets say in your nation, where there is a positive natural right to health care, where one person is compelled to provde care to another simply to preserve their right to life.
What happens when all your doctors, nurses, paramedics, etc, just decide to quit practicing medicine? Do you threaten them with prison? Put them in prison? Threaten to kill them? Go through with it?
Logically that has to happen under the "positive rights" system because by refusing to practice medicine they are engaging in denying other people the rights to health care and life. In essence you have squashed the liberty rights of one whole group of people and virtually enslaved for the benefit of another.
You want to talk morals? That is morally wrong.
I am far from being on your side. You are one of the people I just don't get. You have no problem with the millions that don't get the proper health care they need simply because it's not set forth in the constitution.
It sucks for sure but ultimately thats the way life is. Violating the principles of rule of law, for whatever reason, is a good way to ensure that ALL of our lives suck orders of magnitude more simply because its the invitation to tyranny and dictatorship.
Our constitution is the foundation of our great nation, it's not the be all end all. For if it was, there would be no amendments to it.
Which is exactly why, if you feel that health care should be a civil right guaranteed by the US gov't, then you should follow the process we have to amend the Constitution instead of conveniently ignoring it to get what you want.
I would personally fight such an amendment as it perverts and undermines the theories of rights that we've operated under for nearly 250 years but should it pass I would accept it as the law of the land.
I am fully aware what rights are but everyone has their own interpretations. How many debates have there been on human rights through the years? The debate is far from settled concerning the finer points.
What about the most basic human right there is, the right to life? Where does that fit into all of this? When someone is denied life saving treatment in the name of profit, isn't that taking his right to live away from him? I don't have the right to take your life, because it's your right to live. So if I have the power to save you and I don't because you don't have enough money to pay me, then I am guilty of taking your life. .
We are NOT the USSR. We operate under the theories of "negative" natural rights not "positive" natural rights because positive rights are another invitation to tyranny.
Our natural rights are only prohibitions of the actions of others against us, they do not compell anyone else to any specific action. The only rights that fall into that category are our enumerated civil rights that are designed to ensure a good relationship between the gov't and the people.
Lets do a thought excercise to examine why "positive" natural rights are inherently tyrannical. Lets say in your nation, where there is a positive natural right to health care, where one person is compelled to provde care to another simply to preserve their right to life.
What happens when all your doctors, nurses, paramedics, etc, just decide to quit practicing medicine? Do you threaten them with prison? Put them in prison? Threaten to kill them? Go through with it?
Logically that has to happen under the "positive rights" system because by refusing to practice medicine they are engaging in denying other people the rights to health care and life. In essence you have squashed the liberty rights of one whole group of people and virtually enslaved for the benefit of another.
You want to talk morals? That is morally wrong.