Countdown until Obama is gone

[Accountable]

Hi Accountable. I'm glad I didn't take the bet cuz after reading your post I think I would have lost it. I only wonder how late you stayed up last night writing that! And yet still nothing to back up your words. Very disappointing and the reason I didn't take the bet...:nod:

Aw damn. I'm heartbroken. Y'know, I don't blame you for being disappointed, all that time glancing at my posts then passing your obviously superior snap judgment and for what? Nuthin! No appreciation whatsoever.

If I were you I wouldn't waste another syllable on my sorry ass. That'll teach me.

 

[Accountable]

Obama rant in a nutshell:

How dare Obama not clean up Bush's mess within the first year of his term, any idiot can fix it!


Can you fix it?

Bush didn't do it alone. He had help. Obama can't fix it alone. He'll get help. Too bad the help comes from the same old farts in congress.

 

[darkangel]

Aw damn. I'm heartbroken. Y'know, I don't blame you for being disappointed, all that time glancing at my posts then passing your obviously superior snap judgment and for what? Nuthin! No appreciation whatsoever.

Not superior just a little bit more of linkage combined with opinion and question answering...

If I were you I wouldn't waste another syllable on my sorry ass. That'll teach me.

Ok whaatever suits you! :24:

 

[itsmeJonB]

Bush didn't do it alone. He had help. Obama can't fix it alone. He'll get help. Too bad the help comes from the same old farts in congress.

So are you saying he deserves more than one term to help fix the problem?

 

[Accountable]

So are you saying he deserves more than one term to help fix the problem?

Not if "fixing the problem" means more of what he's been doing, no. If a house built on a cliff falls off the edge, rebuilding the same building on the same cliff is not fixing the problem.

There's not a Republicrat in Washington that deserves another term or another chance.

 

[itsmeJonB]

Not if "fixing the problem" means more of what he's been doing, no. If a house built on a cliff falls off the edge, rebuilding the same building on the same cliff is not fixing the problem.

There's not a Republicrat in Washington that deserves another term or another chance.

that's a sweet analogy, but it makes no sense seeing as politics isnt as predictable as a cause and effect situation involving gravity

 

[Accountable]

that's a sweet analogy, but it makes no sense seeing as politics isnt as predictable as a cause and effect situation involving gravity

How's this: if artificially low interest rates and encouraging banks to make unwise loans caused a bubble, keeping interest rates artificially low and encouraging banks to make unwise loans is not fixing the problem.

If using legislation to manipulate the markets collapsed the economy, using legislation to manipulate the markets is not fixing the problem.


Here's a better analogy:
If your car is broken, you don't fix it by mowing the lawn.
Don't like that one?

If the economy collapses due to stupid investments and ridiculous financial risks encouraged by Washington, a hostile takeover of GM and mandating that people buy private health insurance is not fixing the problem.

 

[Guyzerr]

Not if "fixing the problem" means more of what he's been doing, no. If a house built on a cliff falls off the edge, rebuilding the same building on the same cliff is not fixing the problem.

There's not a Republicrat in Washington that deserves another term or another chance.

He is doing exactly what every other person would do if they would have been elected. The survival of your average citizen depends on it. See post # 20.

 

[Accountable]

He is doing exactly what every other person would do if they would have been elected. The survival of your average citizen depends on it. See post # 20.

"Survival"??? Surely you're not implying that the average American would DIE if Washington didn't bankrupt the country.

Government intervention created this mess. Government intervention is not the way to fix it. It's like beating a window until all the cracks are gone. We'll recover despite Washington, not because of it. History shows that countries without the power/wealth to "save" the economy tended to recover faster than the US last time. There's no reason to think this time will be any different.

 

[Guyzerr]

"Survival"??? Surely you're not implying that the average American would DIE if Washington didn't bankrupt the country.

Did you read post # 20? That's my answer to you.

Government intervention created this mess.

Actually it was the greed of the mega rich bankers that created the mess and your governments lack of intervention that allowed it to happen. The banks in Canada wanted to follow suit but our government was smart enough to let 'em know in no uncertain terms it wasn't going to happen. Hence no sub-prime meltdown.

Government intervention is not the way to fix it.

It's the only way it can be fixed. Your bankers created this mess and are no less wealthy despite the beating you are taking. They made their money before the meltdown and then gladly took the handouts without having to give up any of their ill gotten gains. Because of that they won't have learned a bloody thing and rest assured they won't step up to the plate to get your country back on track. It's much too risky for them.

 

[Minor Axis]

That's not what you said at all and not what I responded to.
You saidclearly implying that we are standing aside now. We are not.

That was not what I was implying. I was projecting this attitude on to you and those (Republicans) who want to stop any changes to the current health system. Now maybe I was being unfair to you, but those forces clearly exist.

 

[Accountable]

Did you read post # 20? That's my answer to you.

Yes, I read your precious #20. I've written posts I was really proud of that fell flat, too. I didn't agree with it when you wrote it and I don't agree with it now. It's based on misinformation.

Actually it was the greed of the mega rich bankers that created the mess and your governments lack of intervention that allowed it to happen. The banks in Canada wanted to follow suit but our government was smart enough to let 'em know in no uncertain terms it wasn't going to happen. Hence no sub-prime meltdown.

I don't have time now to post, and you wouldn't read, the actual history and the actual laws that encouraged, not just allowed, the megabanks to do what they did. Banks would not have taken such risk if government intervention had not convinced them the risk would be mitigated.

It's the only way it can be fixed. Your bankers created this mess and are no less wealthy despite the beating you are taking. They made their money before the meltdown and then gladly took the handouts without having to give up any of their ill gotten gains. Because of that they won't have learned a bloody thing and rest assured they won't step up to the plate to get your country back on track. It's much too risky for them.

Government intervention is not the only way this government-created crisis can be fixed. Even if the government hadn't been complicit, there is never only one way.Our bankers created this mess in that they purchased the politicians necessary to commit the government to guaranteeing to take on any negative ramifications. Yes, they made their money, and they're making their money now. Who are they getting the money from? Oh yeh, the government - those you think are gonna "save" us {I would say the taxpayers, but we're tapped so they're borrowing from China ... and probably Canada). Because of that they've learned that the very best investment is investment in the American political process, because the government can intervene all fucking day long without the public batting an eye, then demand they "start" intervening if things go wrong. It's better than a David Copperfield magic show.

 

[Accountable]

That was not what I was implying. I was projecting this attitude on to you and those (Republicans) who want to stop any changes to the current health system. Now maybe I was being unfair to you, but those forces clearly exist.

Look around. No changes are being made to the health system. They're being made to the insurance system. They're trying to funnel more money to insurers without having to insert themselves as the intermediario. I want to stop any such federal meddling because it is not ever to the longterm benefit of the American citizen.

 

[edgray]

Government intervention is not the only way this government-created crisis can be fixed. Even if the government hadn't been complicit, there is never only one way.Our bankers created this mess in that they purchased the politicians necessary to commit the government to guaranteeing to take on any negative ramifications. Yes, they made their money, and they're making their money now. Who are they getting the money from? Oh yeh, the government - those you think are gonna "save" us {I would say the taxpayers, but we're tapped so they're borrowing from China ... and probably Canada). Because of that they've learned that the very best investment is investment in the American political process, because the government can intervene all fucking day long without the public batting an eye, then demand they "start" intervening if things go wrong. It's better than a David Copperfield magic show.

seeing as the government, big corporations and the banking industry are pretty much interchangeable, the entire system needs to be rethought. It's the very system itself that has caused this.

 

[Guyzerr]

Yes, I read your precious #20. I've written posts I was really proud of that fell flat, too. I didn't agree with it when you wrote it and I don't agree with it now. It's based on misinformation.

Accountable did you get beaten up a lot as a kid? Parents spank you a lot? If not you should have been. I'm not sure what you've been taking but you should leave that shit alone.

 

[edgray]

It's also unfortunate the entire world's economy is governed by the actions of one country run by a select few of very rich corporations / people.

That is the effect of global capitalism, and it's unavoidable: concentrations of power, led by corrupt corporate interests. This is what people in the anti-globalisation movement are protesting against.

You've hit the nail on the head with that one.

 

[Alien Allen]

I'm glad you made that point to which............

Regardless of who was elected the numerous problems left by the previous administration are too much for ANY President to resolve in one term. You guy's are in a full blown depression and if it wasn't for the cash injected by your government there wouldn't be a soup line long enough for you to get in. Unfortunately your country is dragging the rest of the world down as well. It's also unfortunate the entire world's economy is governed by the actions of one country run by a select few of very rich corporations / people.

MI is in a near depression state but the country is not even close nor was it.

All the money infused has done nothing. Because it was either for infrastructure projects. Many which were wish list crap that really was not urgent and necessary. Or it was for green bullshit wish list crap the left is in love with.

They could have spent half the money and actually given the economy a huge burst by just giving people the money and let em spend it.

The stimulus was nothing but a shell game by the liberals.

But hey they can blame it on Bush because he pissed away money first :willy_nilly:

 

[Minor Axis]

Look around. No changes are being made to the health system. They're being made to the insurance system. They're trying to funnel more money to insurers without having to insert themselves as the intermediario. I want to stop any such federal meddling because it is not ever to the longterm benefit of the American citizen.

Huh? The insurance system is an integral part of the health system. The kicker is that according to you if this was happening on the State level that would be ok, correct? Your primary objection seems to be Federal Govt involvement in the process.

 

[Accountable]

Accountable did you get beaten up a lot as a kid? Parents spank you a lot? If not you should have been. I'm not sure what you've been taking but you should leave that shit alone.

You're welcome to give it a try, if your passport's up to date. So I take it you've run out of something pertinent to this conversation and want to stir shit?

 

[Accountable]

Huh? The insurance system is an integral part of the health system. The kicker is that according to you if this was happening on the State level that would be ok, correct? Your primary objection seems to be Federal Govt involvement in the process.

My primary objection is federal gov't involvement in the process. Spot on. Thanks for the phrasing, btw. I really do appreciate it.

49 states can do as they wish with their healthcare systems with little impact on me, and states can change their laws, policies, and practices more quickly than Washington can. If, God forbid, several state do decide to go down the socialized medicine path, they can compare the effectiveness of their practices to each other, changing and adapting to match the best practices. This is something a single program is unable to do.