who plays dirty seems to be the topic of conversation on this issue, granted US politics is a hell fire of abuse and rhetoric, yet families grieve and real questions still go un answered
Congresswoman shot
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Any politician who incites a nut to kill with hate speech shares in the guilt. I don't care if they are republican or democrat. Either way it's wrong. To me the issue isn't who else does it. The issue is was this nut incited by Palin? If so it should be a wake up call to all citizens who vote for politicians who act like Palin. Really it should serve as a wake up call even if this nut wasn't one of Palin's lackeys.
There is not one shred of any evidence of any kind to link this person with Sarah Palin. There have been plenty of pieces of information already released publically that would show his politics were quite the opposite.
Has anyone thought about is there something very wrong with the thing they signed?
Seriously? His argument that this is a surveyors mark and not crosshairs? Please tell me that you are not falling for that crap, please.
Being very familiar with surveys, I can tell you that there is no mark used anywhere like the one below. That is not representative of a point of interest mark. Surveyors do not take liberty with the established nomenclature. If the symbol is a circle with a cross in it, then that's exactly what is drawn. You don't extend the cross outside of the circle like the one shown below.
Now take a minute and Google cross hairs and you will see page after page of symbols like the one above. Any honest person will know that she meant to draw a cross hair and not a point of interest mark. To even suggest otherwise just shows the dishonesty in this discussion.
Now I am not in the camp that this nut job did this because of Palin's idiotic poster. This guy was just a nut job, a psycho.
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Seriously? His argument that this is a surveyors mark and not crosshairs? Please tell me that you are not falling for that crap, please.
Being very familiar with surveys, I can tell you that there is no mark used anywhere like the one below. That is not representative of a point of interest mark. Surveyors do not take liberty with the established nomenclature. If the symbol is a circle with a cross in it, then that's exactly what is drawn. You don't extend the cross outside of the circle like the one shown below.
Now take a minute and Google cross hairs and you will see page after page of symbols like the one above. Any honest person will know that she meant to draw a cross hair and not a point of interest mark. To even suggest otherwise just shows the dishonesty in this discussion.
Now I am not in the camp that this nut job did this because of Palin's idiotic poster. This guy was just a nut job, a psycho.
Way to ignore the two Democratic maps from much earlier with obvious shooting-range targets on the map. That was what I exactly what I posted about, and nothing else. Are you going to deny the existance of those other two pieces of political advertising?
right on
Pretty blatent to me
I would call these targets as well
I would call these targets as well
Nope, I'm not addressing them because they are just as much to blame as Palin's map is. In other words, they are all irresponsible yet they aren't responsible for any shooting deaths.
The point of my post was that even the attempt of calling them anything but cross hairs is nothing more than intellectual dishonesty. Smoke and mirrors to distract from the real conversation.
And please take the time to read my posts. I specifically said that I didn't think her poster was the cause of this psychos rampage. So it doesn't matter to me if democrats used a similar poster in the past, it doesn't make any difference.
And if by some chance this guy did shoot the congress woman because Palin put that poster out, then I hope she is held accountable for it. It wouldn't matter if a similar poster was put out by every single congressman. Hers is the one with this congresswoman's name on it.
Pretty blatent to me
I would call these targets as well
Again, what does this have to do with the conversation? Those maps are just as heinous as Palin's.
Since when did we start forgiving people for doing something stupid just because someone else did it before?
No you didn't, but the article by Neil did. And Sarah tried to explain it away as surveyors marks as well.
Instead of just being honest about it and admitting they are cross hairs, they decided to take the dishonest route and try to lie about it...
Well we agree on that. I have never said otherwise.
All I have done throughout this thread is take on the idea that this shooting is somehow connected to Sarah Palin, or any other piece of campaign propaganda, and dispute the assertion by some that only one party engages in this type of political language.
An outstanding column:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...01/10/AR2011011004603.html?wpisrc=nl_opinions
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...01/10/AR2011011004603.html?wpisrc=nl_opinions
This does not have a crude political application. Some liberal critics of polarization have accused their ideological opponents, on the thinnest of circumstantial evidence, of complicity in murder. This is an extreme and ironic symptom of polarization. But outrage on the right should be tempered by the recognition that many conservatives would be capable of hasty judgments under different circumstances. Suppose an unstable leftist loner, with some peripheral ties to ACORN, had shot a Republican congressman. Americans never use the actions of an individual to judge the guilt of a group - unless it is the Tea Party, or immigrants, or conservatives, or liberals, or Muslims or fundamentalists, or anyone else who is really, really disliked.
Good find there ACC
Perhaps it's not completely fair but my step mom tells me she is praying for Obama to die. If someday he is assassinated then someone wouldn't be completely out of line asking her, "Happy now?"
I can not find one thing good about the guy but the last thing I would want is to have him assassinated.
I just want him to be put to pasture like Carter.
that is very very sad
Yup it is....
And that has been going on forever
it is NOT anything new
And you can go back in US history to show that and a lot of countries.
