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Sounds tempting- just don't bad mouth the government in the public square? ;) Somewhere in the back of my mind, the economy of it sounds too good to be true. I don't know about personal liberties and I'm wondering when the other shoe will drop.

If the economy in Singapore prevails long term say another 100 years and social needs continue to be met, the world will eventually take notice.
No economy is stable for 100 years. They are subject to boom-bust cycle. Recovery can be L, U or V shaped. We have huge foreign reserves to sustain for decades. Its dynamic. Economies have to be re-enginered as opportinities, threats, strengths and weaknesses change.
 
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Sounds tempting- just don't bad mouth the government in the public square? ;) Somewhere in the back of my mind, the economy of it sounds too good to be true. I don't know about personal liberties and I'm wondering when the other shoe will drop.

If the economy in Singapore prevails long term say another 100 years and social needs continue to be met, the world will eventually take notice.
We have a Speakers Corner here for public speaking and yes there is free speech but be responsible enough. If u bad mouth then be prepared to be sued if you cant prove the allegations.
 

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Ok, Kelvin you got your jab in at Christianity in America (compared to say Europe). Why the focus on the U.S.? And why don't you describe how religion in Singapore is superior? Do yo practice anything in particular?

As far as your original statement: Christians (Americans) driving past prisons, halfway houses, missions, and orphanages. Are there no prisons and orphanages in Singapore? Do you know what a halfway house is? And you look upon that negatively why?
 
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Ok, Kelvin you got your jab in at Christianity in America (compared to say Europe). Why the focus on the U.S.? And why don't you describe how religion in Singapore is superior? Do yo practice anything in particular?

As far as your original statement: Christians (Americans) driving past prisons, halfway houses, missions, and orphanages. Are there no prisons and orphanages in Singapore? Do you know what a halfway house is? And you look upon that negatively why?
I dont really focus. I read from a broad sprectrum covering many countries and when I stumble on some US related stuff I throught its appropriate for this forum. We have many halfway houses here for drug offenders, child abuse cases etc. People here are free to practice any religion here but cults are not allowed. Nothing negative really from day1, was just posting some crap and you guys respond with tokenz:D
 

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the church that held my families Christenings, first Communions, and my fathers funeral mass is now closed, if you want to compare that, then be my guest...
 

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How is this exclusive to America? I know at my church there is a soup kitchen every day, and the priests do not drive nice cars. they make minimum wage and get by on it juts fine. Considering how much work a priest has, I dont see how you are in a position to realyl question it.

Either way, people with power/wealth want more power/wealth. If you think that is an American trait, then I call you ignorant.
 

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How is this exclusive to America? I know at my church there is a soup kitchen every day, and the priests do not drive nice cars. they make minimum wage and get by on it juts fine. Considering how much work a priest has, I dont see how you are in a position to realyl question it.

Either way, people with power/wealth want more power/wealth. If you think that is an American trait, then I call you ignorant.
You can call me watever you like. I type alot of crap here but that does not mean I suscribe to those crap.
 

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I dont really focus. I read from a broad sprectrum covering many countries and when I stumble on some US related stuff I throught its appropriate for this forum. We have many halfway houses here for drug offenders, child abuse cases etc. People here are free to practice any religion here but cults are not allowed. Nothing negative really from day1, was just posting some crap and you guys respond with tokenz:D

If you don't stand by your original post, the way it's presented, then you're just trolling.

BTW, in Singapore, who decides what a cult is? Big brother I presume.
 
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Yeah, Jehovah's Witness is banned here.

I suspect this is just the tip of the ugly iceberg hiding under your modern utopia. I wonder if you focus your attention on the U.S for posts because it would be relatively dangerous to direct the same scrutiny at your own society? :)
 
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I suspect this is just the tip of the ugly iceberg hiding under your modern utopia. I wonder if you focus your attention on the U.S for posts because it would be relatively dangerous to direct the same scrutiny at your own society? :)
There is nothing much to discuss abt my country. Everything here ticks like clockwork. Parliament here dont fight like GOP and Democrats. They get the job done and pass bills without haggling with personal attacks. We have no wars to fight. Tip of the iceberg in a first world country? Read the World Economic Forum stats abt us.
 

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I suspect this is just the tip of the ugly iceberg hiding under your modern utopia. I wonder if you focus your attention on the U.S for posts because it would be relatively dangerous to direct the same scrutiny at your own society? :)

Singapore, officially the Republic of Singapore, is an island city-state off the southern tip of the Malay Peninsula, 137 kilometres (85 mi) north of the equator, south of the Malaysian state of Johor and north of Indonesia's Riau Islands. At 710.2 km2 (274.2 sq mi),[8] Singapore is a microstate and the smallest nation in Southeast Asia. It is substantially larger than Monaco and Vatican City, the only other present-day sovereign city-states.
Singapore is an alpha World City. Singapore is unique as it is the only country in Asia which has English as its first language. Singapore also has one of the highest percentage of foreigners in the world. 36% of the population in Singapore are foreigners and foreigners make up 50% of the service sector in Singapore.[9]
Even before independence in 1965, Singapore was already one of the richest states in East Asia due to its strategic location as a trading port. Its GDP per capita then was $511, roughly the same as Portugal. In comparison, both South Korea and China had a GDP per capita of $105 and $90 respectively in 1965.[10] After independence, Foreign direct investment into Singapore and a state-led drive to industrialization based on plans drawn up by Goh Keng Swee and Albert Winsemius have created a modern economy focused on industry, education and urban planning.[11] Singapore is the 5th wealthiest country in the world in terms of GDP (PPP) per capita[12] and 23rd wealthiest in terms of GDP (nominal) per capita. As of January 2009, Singapore's official foreign reserves stand at US$170.3 billion (9th in the world). The city state is also the second most crowded country in the world after Monaco.[13]
In 2009, the Economist Intelligence Unit ranked Singapore the tenth most expensive city in the world in which to live—the third in Asia, after Tokyo and Osaka.[14] The 2009 Cost of Living survey, by consultancy firm Mercer, has ranked Singapore similarly as the tenth most expensive city for expatriates to live in.[15][16]
The population of Singapore including non-residents is approximately 4.99 million.[17] Singapore is highly cosmopolitan and diverse with Chinese people forming an ethnic majority with large populations of Malay, Indian and other people. English, Malay, Tamil, and Chinese are the official languages.[18]
Singapore is a parliamentary republic, and the Constitution of Singapore establishes representative democracy as the nation's political system.[19] The People's Action Party (PAP) dominates the political process and has won control of Parliament in every election since self-government in 1959.[20] Freedom House ranks Singapore as "partly free" in its "Freedom in the World report" [21] and The Economist ranks Singapore as a "hybrid regime" in its "Democracy Index". [22]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singapore
 

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Singapore, officially the Republic of Singapore...

Talk about a weak come back. :thumbdown You claim you did not start this thread because you really feel that way, just to wake us up. Why not start a thread ragging on the fucked up things about Singapore. If you don't think there are any, make some up, and don't say your kidding when you post it.
 

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Talk about a weak come back. :thumbdown You claim you did not start this thread because you really feel that way, just to wake us up. Why not start a thread ragging on the fucked up things about Singapore. If you don't think there are any, make some up, and don't say your kidding when you post it.
I will give u a better idea. Why not you join one of the Singapore forums and do a Singapore bashing like the way I did US bashing here.
 

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I will give u a better idea. Why not you join one of the Singapore forums and do a Singapore bashing like the way I did US bashing here.

It's not a better idea, because I'm proving a point about Singapore, not the U.S. The U.S. is far from perfect, but here you can say almost whatever you want. I can say the President is a dipshit and I'm not worried about officials showing up on my doorstep to haul me away as a threat to the state.

Sure, I could go to a Singapore forum and start bad mouthing the Singapore government and probably the only thing that would happen is that I'd be kicked off. My point is what happens when a citizen of Singapore starts bad mouthing their own country? If you have to watch what you say, my point is proven. Free speech means something and we have the closest thing to it. There is a balance to be achieved between social order/security and freedom. My impression is that Singapore does not have that balance leaning towards security and minimizes personal freedom. Come on, trash Singapore, I want to hear you do it. :)

There is nothing much to discuss abt my country. Everything here ticks like clockwork. Parliament here dont fight like GOP and Democrats. They get the job done and pass bills without haggling with personal attacks. We have no wars to fight. Tip of the iceberg in a first world country? Read the World Economic Forum stats abt us.

Btw, how easy is it to start an opposition political party in Singapore?

Reality of the State of Democracy in Singapore

Excerpts of the speech Dr Chee Soon Juan gave when he was presented the Defender of Democracy 2003 award by the Parliamentarians of Global Action (PGA):
Allow me to give you a little bit of the reality of the state of democracy in Singapore. We still have the Internal Security Act (ISA) which allows the Government to arbitrarily arrest citizens and detain them without trial. We had many oppositionists, trade union leaders, journalists and activists imprisoned under the ISA for opposing the ruling PAP. The longest-serving prisoner is Mr Chia Thye Poh who was detained for 23 years without ever given a trial.


My friendly advice to you is: Don't throw stones when you live in a glass house.
 
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It's not a better idea, because I'm proving a point about Singapore, not the U.S. The U.S. is far from perfect, but here you can say almost whatever you want. I can say the President is a dipshit and I'm not worried about officials showing up on my doorstep to haul me away as a threat to the state.

Sure, I could go to a Singapore forum and start bad mouthing the Singapore government and probably the only thing that would happen is that I'd be kicked off. My point is what happens when a citizen of Singapore starts bad mouthing their own country? If you have to watch what you say, my point is proven. Free speech means something and we have the closest thing to it. There is a balance to be achieved between social order/security and freedom. My impression is that Singapore does not have that balance leaning towards security and minimizes personal freedom. Come on, trash Singapore, I want to hear you do it. :)



Btw, how easy is it to start an opposition political party in Singapore?

Reality of the State of Democracy in Singapore

Excerpts of the speech Dr Chee Soon Juan gave when he was presented the Defender of Democracy 2003 award by the Parliamentarians of Global Action (PGA):


My friendly advice to you is: Don't throw stones when you live in a glass house.
We didnt need any democracy to be the world's 5th wealthiest nation.
 
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