Child Support

[Codrus]

Wow...just wow. Actually I buy mine at Wal-mart and it works out to about 57 cents per condom. 12 pack for $6.92 including tax.

tell me you lubs me

 

[Natasha]

tell me you lubs me

Only if you spank me first.

Oops, did I say that out loud???

 

[Staci]

i think that too and it completely makes sense...it's not that way in Texas and it's so damn retarded. the judge half the time doesnt even want to hear the father's side unless it's a completely one sided circumstance

what part of texas are you basing this comment on? have you personally had any interaction in family court??

 

[Codrus]

Only if you spank me first.

Oops, did I say that out loud???

ooooobaby...with or without the chocolate syrup this time?...and do you want the cherry or strawberry licorice whip?

 

[Natasha]

ooooobaby...with or without the chocolate syrup this time?...and do you want the cherry or strawberry licorice whip?

Both??? :ninja

 

[Codrus]

Both??? :ninja

oooobaby..meet me in the freezer and lets see if my tongue sticks to anything:ninja

 

[Joe the meek]

I've seen a lot of men get fucked over by cs expetations, and I've seen a lot of women and children get fucked over by deadbeat dads

Pretty much sums up the State legal system per this subject IMO.

 

[alice in chains]

what part of texas are you basing this comment on? have you personally had any interaction in family court??

uhm im in fort worth, yah, ive seen a little personally, i dont claim to be an expert but ive seen alot of unfairness happen.

 

[Staci]

i have actually been a part of the family court system in texas and saw several cases where once all the evidence was presented things turned out pretty fairly. does this always happen, no, but i can base it on my experiences

 

[alice in chains]

ya that's great when it turns out the way it's supposed to. my brother got cheated...his mistake was he didnt have every damn thing documented from day 1 of his daughter.

 

[Natasha]

oooobaby..meet me in the freezer and lets see if my tongue sticks to anything:ninja

LMFAO...wow!!!

ya that's great when it turns out the way it's supposed to. my brother got cheated...his mistake was he didnt have every damn thing documented from day 1 of his daughter.

My brother got fucked over royally w/ his son b/c he agreed to supervised visitation during the divorce (she used the fact that he smokes pot against him). So when his ex took a curling iron to my nephew's foot instead of him going to my brother, like he should have, he went to HER grandparents...then shortly after he was moved to her parents, who she lived with. And my brother STILL had to pay child support to her. Nice, huh???

 

[Francis]

I think what Francis may have been getting at is that some fathers don't want the baby of an unplanned pregnancy but the mother chooses to have it anyway. Did I interpret that right Francis???

As for child support goes: I think that if the father/mother is expected to pay child support, then they should have decent visitation rights or partial custody and proof that the child support is being spent on the children.

Thanks Kyle, yes that is most of it..

It was a simple answer for the OP to answer from the start..

It also relates to the courts and how a fathers / males that have a one night stand can be taken for ransom by mothers on welfare having kid after kid so they can stay home and suck the system dry while guys work their ass off and the system provides the very basic for these people.. As well they can suck in other guys to pay up for their kids that become common law step kids to some guys that don't know the laws.. The more kids the more money and the money the system is burdened by bogging down the court system until they do what they did here and put in place an automatic cost per child head per your income tax that has made it near impossible for some guys to pay bills for dead beat Dads that would abuse the women so they would latch on to good guys and suck them dry..

In some jurisdiction you can be held liable for someone else's kid(s) if you parent them for more than 2 years as well and leave and your common-law spouse can prove their case. Hence you do not need to be the blood father to be held accountable for the child upbringing and financial costs. This creates even more headaches for single men who get into situations they don't realize they fall within certain legalities quickly as time goes bye quickly at times..

Texas is a example of this in the US and Canada has this law almost in every Province ( State ).

http://www.co.travis.tx.us/dro/common_law.asp

 

[HK]

This is one of those horrible grey issues where in an ideal world, every case would be judged individually. There's never going to be fair way to blanket-judge everyone.

Perhaps child support should be applicable if you can show that you were planning a baby together and then split up during or after the pregnancy. Because then the baby was created with the assumption that you would be raising it together and you had both decided to take on the responsibility.

Then the opposite would be if the man could show he had no intention of creating a child - like with one night stands. I feel it's very unfair for a woman to keep a child created with an almost stranger, and then expect him to shoulder the responsibility for a path she is choosing.

But again, no system would be perfect. It's just not possible to make it entirely fair on everyone.

 

[Natasha]

Then the opposite would be if the man could show he had no intention of creating a child - like with one night stands. I feel it's very unfair for a woman to keep a child created with an almost stranger, and then expect him to shoulder the responsibility for a path she is choosing.

I disagree. Whether or not you PLAN to have a baby, when you choose to have unprotected sex you have to take the responsibilities that could come from that. You can't allow men (or women) to shirk responsibility simply b/c all they wanted was a piece of ass.

 

[porterjack]

100%
I dont care how the child was conceived
A father has responsibility to a child irrespective of mom's financial situation

 

[Panacea]

Hey, unless you or your anecdote is named JOHN CRYER, none of y'all have a right to bitch :24: poor bastard's ex plotted to murder him, and he still has to pay her child support.

I've always felt child support should be a transaction of paying for goods and services, not cash to the other parent. Idk. Like HK said, it's such a grey area subject.

 

[NuckingFuts]

I guess this is where I am lucky. I have such a good relationship with my ex that we have never been to court. We split everything with our son. I don't pay her and she doesn't pay me. I pay for a month of his school and she pays the next. We both buy him clothes and tbwy go back and fourth. There is no fighting over ( I bought this. I want it at my place ). Like i said i am lucky I guess.

 

[HK]

I disagree. Whether or not you PLAN to have a baby, when you choose to have unprotected sex you have to take the responsibilities that could come from that. You can't allow men (or women) to shirk responsibility simply b/c all they wanted was a piece of ass.

I was thinking more of occasions where contraceptives were used but failed. But again, even that gets murky - if the girl tells the guy she's on the pill and he believes her, is it his fault when she gets pregnant for not wearing a condom anyway? He was obviously under the impression that birth control was taken care of, etc etc.

But yeah - I suppose with unprotected sex you could say it was an unspoken acceptance of the consequences.

 

[Natasha]

I was thinking more of occasions where contraceptives were used but failed. But again, even that gets murky - if the girl tells the guy she's on the pill and he believes her, is it his fault when she gets pregnant for not wearing a condom anyway? He was obviously under the impression that birth control was taken care of, etc etc.

It DOES get murky, for sure. Personally my concern has always been more w/ STDs than birth control (although birth control certainly IS an issue to be concerned about if, like me, you don't want children). I think you have to take responsibility for your own well-being. It's exactly the reason I carry condoms in my purse.

 

[KLD1019]

I guess this is where I am lucky. I have such a good relationship with my ex that we have never been to court. We split everything with our son. I don't pay her and she doesn't pay me. I pay for a month of his school and she pays the next. We both buy him clothes and tbwy go back and fourth. There is no fighting over ( I bought this. I want it at my place ). Like i said i am lucky I guess.

you are lucky! thats how it is with my neighbor and her ex. they split everything. he pays for baseball in the fall, she pays for it in the spring. both buys their own clothes for him to keep at eachothers houses, split school expenses, she gets one week with him, he gets the next, if they need to switch off early or late for whatever reason, its not a fight. they work it out. it was her birthday last week (ex's week) she got him for that day/night for her birthday celebration. she just got remarried (again, while it was ex's week) son was able to attend the celebration. they're really civil about it and i think thats how it should be