Castro Retires

[Peter Parka]

its the hatred toward che guevara ,i dont understand ,he did piss off the US when he became a minister in the sixties in cuba,nad thats what caused the blockade which is still on going.che is certainly a huge hero in africa after his work there,and certainly still in europe.at the time i can see why that was ,but i do think that we were more naive and ideological then,times change.
amnesty claim that its the blockade which ghas caused a lot of the harm done to ordinary cuban people,but thats what sanctions do in the long run.

id certainly put batista on a parr with sadam,mugabe etc

:homo: Can understand some hatred of Castro, still think it's way over the top though! Wonder if the'd have been as many replies on here if we were talking about a Saudi Arabian leader retiring, a country with a far worse human rights record?:humm:But Che Guevara??? Give me a break! The guy is a hero!

 

[Pudding Time]

Deb. Though we don't get along, I still have to admire your ability to see both sides of the issue. That I applaud.

 

[dt3]

I personally don't see how the US government can have a bee in their bonnet about Castro's human rights record when they only a few years back were happily supporting Saddam with a terrible record in this regard in his fight against Iran. The US seems only too happy that Casto allowed them to keep their base in Cuba too which has been handy for them recently so they can torture POWs there.
Seems much more obvious to me that their real problem was Castro taking their interests away and giving it back to the people of Cuba. I mean, the government was so pissed off about this that they even were in collutions with the Mafia about overthrowing him.
So what if he allowed the USSR to point nuclear weapons at the US there? At the same time the US were using their bases in Europe to point nuclear weapons at the USSR, this was the sort of stuff which was going on in the cold war. Other than that, I haven't seen any other way Castro has been a threat to the US. The hatred toward him seems so over the top to me.

I don't see how you can have a bee in your bonnet about Bush and the US, but not Castro.

As for the bolded part, do you really not see why the US wouldn't appreciate that???

The hatred is also blind. I would bet that practically all those in here that have talked bad about Castro, don't have a clue about all of his history. They read really all the inhumane things he has done later in his career, and stop there. There's a word for this, but I'm not allowed to use it here.

That's really all you need to know. I'm sure Hitler started out as a nice enough guy. But you get judged off the totality of your work. I don't care what you do, once you become a brutal dictator, you lose cool points in my book. If Mother Teresa had become a serial killer in the last decade of her life, I'd remember her as a serial killer.

 

[Peter Parka]

I don't see how you can have a bee in your bonnet about Bush and the US, but not Castro.

Because Castro dosen't take part in illegal wars against other countries or is any threat to other countries.

As for the bolded part, do you really not see why the US wouldn't appreciate that???

I see they wouldn't appreciate it but they were hardly in a position to complain when they were doing the exact same thing first.

 

[dt3]

Because Castro dosen't take part in illegal wars against other countries or is any threat to other countries.

That doesn't make brutal oppression of political opposition an ok thing :confused

I see they wouldn't appreciate it but they were hardly in a position to complain when they were doing the exact same thing first.

The country we were doing it to effectively embargoed us, as well as most of the countries we had the weapons based in. We did the same thing. We weren't "complaining", we were doing what was necessary for our security. Would you want nuclear missiles in Ireland pointed at England? I doubt it.

 

[Pudding Time]

I don't see how you can have a bee in your bonnet about Bush and the US, but not Castro.

As for the bolded part, do you really not see why the US wouldn't appreciate that???

That's really all you need to know. I'm sure Hitler started out as a nice enough guy. But you get judged off the totality of your work. I don't care what you do, once you become a brutal dictator, you lose cool points in my book. If Mother Teresa had become a serial killer in the last decade of her life, I'd remember her as a serial killer.

That's fine if you want to think of him that way. That's your choice to do so. But why can't people at least acknowledge what he did for Cuba in his rise to power?

Even though Bush, in my eyes, is an imperialist warmonger who should face trails for inhumane things he has done. I still acknowledge that he has done great things in Africa.

 

[Peter Parka]

The country we were doing it to effectively embargoed us, as well as most of the countries we had the weapons based in. We did the same thing. We weren't "complaining", we were doing what was necessary for our security. Would you want nuclear missiles in Ireland pointed at England? I doubt it.

No I wouldn't but then I would be extremely unhappy about having a government here that pointed nuclear weapons at Ireland first, I'd blame my own government for that, not Ireland!

 

[COOL_BREEZE2]

I personally don't see how the US government can have a bee in their bonnet about Castro's human rights record when they only a few years back were happily supporting Saddam with a terrible record in this regard in his fight against Iran. The US seems only too happy that Casto allowed them to keep their base in Cuba too which has been handy for them recently so they can torture POWs there.
Seems much more obvious to me that their real problem was Castro taking their interests away and giving it back to the people of Cuba. I mean, the government was so pissed off about this that they even were in collutions with the Mafia about overthrowing him.
So what if he allowed the USSR to point nuclear weapons at the US there? At the same time the US were using their bases in Europe to point nuclear weapons at the USSR, this was the sort of stuff which was going on in the cold war. Other than that, I haven't seen any other way Castro has been a threat to the US. The hatred toward him seems so over the top to me.

Good post Pete.

 

[All Else Failed]

I always like to point to this video when we like to preach about dictators.


YouTube - US Imperialism

 

[Peter Parka]

Good video to think about, that's from Bowling for Columbine isn't it?

 

[All Else Failed]

Idk, I'm not even a fan of Moore but this video plainly lists SOME of the authoritarian actions taken by the US.