groundpounder
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watch it, now. you know how your sexy talk makes me all mushy-gushy
Case for a Young Earth
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Bahahahaha this made me BURST out in laughter!
Young-earth "proof" #17: Erosion rates limit Niagara Falls to an age of
less than 10,000 years. Therefore, the earth is young.
Omg, ROFLMAO!!!!!!!! Love the way he answered it:
If those erosion rates are correct, then the Niagara Falls
are less than 10,000 years old. What of it? Since when does the age of
the Niagara Falls have anything to do with the age of the earth??
Absolutely. There is no reason that God would create plants that weren't already full grown, or animals with adults and children alike - it just wouldn't make any sense. He created the earth and universe in 6 days, with everything already in motion as if it had already been there for millions or billions of years. At least, that is my belief.
All Else Failed
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you do realize that there are stars in the universe that we can see that are millions of light years away, disproving that belief, right?Absolutely. There is no reason that God would create plants that weren't already full grown, or animals with adults and children alike - it just wouldn't make any sense. He created the earth and universe in 6 days, with everything already in motion as if it had already been there for millions or billions of years. At least, that is my belief.
A common thread through out all of creationism is blatant, uneducated beliefs.
Why couldn't have God created light already in progress to their destination as well?
IntruderLS1
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Merry Christmas debaters.
Just stopped in to say Hi, but got sucked in by the thread. I'm not going to stay long, but did anybody read the Young Earth rebuttal that got posted?
Didn't it strike you as odd that when dealing w/ arguments of time, he used number between 1 and 370 million years? Why didn't he take his own calculations out to the 5 billion he believe the Earth to be?
Weird.
Just stopped in to say Hi, but got sucked in by the thread. I'm not going to stay long, but did anybody read the Young Earth rebuttal that got posted?
Didn't it strike you as odd that when dealing w/ arguments of time, he used number between 1 and 370 million years? Why didn't he take his own calculations out to the 5 billion he believe the Earth to be?
Weird.
All Else Failed
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it doesn't work because if you claim that all of the universe was created in a few days, and the earth is only a few thousand years old, then nothing in the entire universe can be millions of years old. Except the best minds on earth have concluded that our universe is about 13.73±0.12 billion years old.
So basically what you're saying is the counter-point to your argument can't use scientifically proven facts to disprove what you say? You have the convenient fall-back of "God made it that way", and you obviously intend to rely on it. :smiley24::smiley24::smiley24:
BadBoy@TheWheel
DT3's Twinkie
This has already been cussed/discussed before
Carbon dating isn't flawed.
Critics say it's flawed because it doesn't take into account the difference in carbon levels that the great flood of Noah's Ark would have created.
The flood that never fucking happened...
sierrabravo
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or putting bones in the ground 6,000 years ago that are already 65 million years old? :24:
groundpounder
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personally (pulls pin on grenade), I don't think God is bound by the earthly definition of a 24-hour day. (throws grenade into thread)
2 Peter Chapter 3 verses 8&9 reads:
‘But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.’
which is a direct allusion to and quote from Psalm 90:4 which reads:
'For a thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night'
Both of these scriptures, taken in their repsective contexts, do not refer directly to creation, nor were they intended to. And literal Young Earth believers (of which I am not - see: first sentence) undoubtedly bring Exodus 20:8-11 into the argument which reads:
Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates. For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
And I get that. But IMO, the symbolism of the 6-day creation is not so much trumped by scripture as it is put into perspective by it 2P3:8-9 and Psalm 90:4, which while in context do not directly allude or refer to the creation story of Genesis 1, but directly tell the perceptive reader that time has no meaning to God.
Ultimately, what I'm saying is that the Earth might be 6,000 years old or the light from Proxima Centauri really has been traveling to Earth for billions of years. It doesn't matter, because in either case God is not bound by human-defined measurements of time.
Sarge, I'm on your side. I believe that in the beginning, God created the heavens and the Earth. I just don't know how, and I'm not supposed to know.
Acts 1:6-8 states:
So when they met together, they asked him, "Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?"
He said to them: "It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority. But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth."
and 1 Corinthians 2:4-11 states
My message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive words, but with a demonstration of the Spirit's power, so that your faith might not rest on men's wisdom, but on God's power. We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. However, as it is written:
"No eye has seen,
no ear has heard,
no mind has conceived
what God has prepared for those who love him but God has revealed it to us by his Spirit."
The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.
So we don't know. But when you argue the case for Young Earth that is in stark contrast to solid scientific evidence by saying, "Well, maybe God made it that way," you may be right but you're not doing yourself any favors, you're just alienating smart people.
There's a better way to win that argument - scripture. :thumbup
2 Peter Chapter 3 verses 8&9 reads:
‘But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.’
which is a direct allusion to and quote from Psalm 90:4 which reads:
'For a thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night'
Both of these scriptures, taken in their repsective contexts, do not refer directly to creation, nor were they intended to. And literal Young Earth believers (of which I am not - see: first sentence) undoubtedly bring Exodus 20:8-11 into the argument which reads:
Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates. For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
And I get that. But IMO, the symbolism of the 6-day creation is not so much trumped by scripture as it is put into perspective by it 2P3:8-9 and Psalm 90:4, which while in context do not directly allude or refer to the creation story of Genesis 1, but directly tell the perceptive reader that time has no meaning to God.
Ultimately, what I'm saying is that the Earth might be 6,000 years old or the light from Proxima Centauri really has been traveling to Earth for billions of years. It doesn't matter, because in either case God is not bound by human-defined measurements of time.
Sarge, I'm on your side. I believe that in the beginning, God created the heavens and the Earth. I just don't know how, and I'm not supposed to know.
Acts 1:6-8 states:
So when they met together, they asked him, "Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?"
He said to them: "It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority. But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth."
and 1 Corinthians 2:4-11 states
My message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive words, but with a demonstration of the Spirit's power, so that your faith might not rest on men's wisdom, but on God's power. We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. However, as it is written:
"No eye has seen,
no ear has heard,
no mind has conceived
what God has prepared for those who love him but God has revealed it to us by his Spirit."
The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.
So we don't know. But when you argue the case for Young Earth that is in stark contrast to solid scientific evidence by saying, "Well, maybe God made it that way," you may be right but you're not doing yourself any favors, you're just alienating smart people.
There's a better way to win that argument - scripture. :thumbup
sierrabravo
Active Member
so basically, what that says is that christians are supposed to have faith not proof... er go, why are christians looking for proof when god said "have faith...?"
groundpounder
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faith and proof are two entirely different, but not mutually exclusive, items for a person to seek, so no, that's not what that post means. Far from it.
BadBoy@TheWheel
DT3's Twinkie
And for the record...There is much mure accurate forms of dating beyond Carbon dating.
personally (pulls pin on grenade), I don't think God is bound by the earthly definition of a 24-hour day. (throws grenade into thread)
So we don't know. But when you argue the case for Young Earth that is in stark contrast to solid scientific evidence by saying, "Well, maybe God made it that way," you may be right but you're not doing yourself any favors, you're just alienating smart people.
There's a better way to win that argument - scripture. :thumbup
hmmm.....nice crater you left here
i always find it interesting that faith -such a deeply personal sense of connection to something unseen- must, in this day and age, answer to the rational mind, and it's rules of logic.
why is that so important? :confused
it would seem to be that it's importance comes from the fact that the universe -whether one's view of it is faith based, or science based, MUST conform to the rules we give it.....our conciousness has the urgency to create order out of chaos....to understand....it's a survivall thing....that the application of our individual perceptions of reality have to be cohesive, or we'll go nuts.
more than that....they also have to be shared by others....
it strikes me, then, that it's really the connection that we're after....the "knowing" that the unseen world is knowable, AND that we are not alone in it, because our understanding is not unique....not a product of "self"
personally, any "ultimate" knowledge of this junk is way beyond words....way beyond the ability of science to unravel and explain the mysteries....way beyond anything that any religion or theologian can explain as "truth"
the "knowing" just is.....and in that "knowing" lives the connection.....whether its borne in faith, or born in science, is -fundamentally- unimportant.....to praise one at the expense of the other -to try and make one so different from the other that it's "right"- is just to try once again, to be unique....to be "self"
it dismisses the connection
excellence -"god", i guess, for the faithful, "theory" for the scientist- is in the knowing, not the explanation of the knowledge
groundpounder
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Thanks for that nugget of profound enlightenment, Ryder!
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sophie0028
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Dinosuars did exist. we have solod proof of this but how did they finish... Some say it was earthquake but no sure and exact thing has been told.
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