Case for a Young Earth

[SgtSpike]

creationism isn't science. Thats my point. The fudge numbers and twist facts to support their insane world view.

And I say evolutionists are just as likely to do the same.

 

[lumpenstein]

Yes - we have no idea how much carbon was in the air 1000 years ago (let alone longer), so how can we say that carbon dating is accurate when we don't know how much carbon those plants and animals had in them to begin with?


Actually, that one has been debunked by Christians themselves (found this out after doing some research on it).

And I don't have sources for any of these. Just looking for proofs against them, if you can find them.

Are you really that ignorant? Why don't you take a few science courses and actualy learn about what you're trying to discuss rather than prove how uneducated you are?

This thread is crap and a waste of bandwidth.

 

[lumpenstein]

Lol, of course... what's your point? No evolutionist is going to put it up on theirs...!

Because evolutionists don't deal with made-up bullshit. :24:

 

[SgtSpike]

Are you really that ignorant? Why don't you take a few science courses and actualy learn about what you're trying to discuss rather than prove how uneducated you are?

This thread is crap and a waste of bandwidth.

Prove me wrong - how much carbon was in the air 1000 years ago?

 

[All Else Failed]

And I say evolutionists are just as likely to do the same.

um no because the scientific community is set up to root out lies and theories that do not work. Its impossible for a scientist to just make stuff up and have it accepted because the scientific community is a self regulating system of professionals.

 

[SgtSpike]

um no because the scientific community is set up to root out lies and theories that do not work. Its impossible for a scientist to just make stuff up and have it accepted because the scientific community is a self regulating system of professionals.

There are professional Christian scientists who have the same system. So, if you say they are corrupt, who is to say that evolutionists would not be just as corrupt?

 

[lumpenstein]

Prove me wrong - how much carbon was in the air 1000 years ago?

I don't have to prove anything wrong. How many times must I tell you that proving a negative is not required. YOU are making a claim, YOU put up the proof or stop trying to spread lies.

Failing to acknowledge your error is one fatal flaw.

Continuing a pathetic attempt to disprove science in order to bolster your own belief in something spiritual is a second fatal flaw.

Insisting in ignoring all that has been learned by people infinitly more intelligent than you or I is not only a third fatal flaw but also a gross insult.

Now, you prove why anybody should give any credence to your tripe.

 

[lumpenstein]

um no because the scientific community is set up to root out lies and theories that do not work. Its impossible for a scientist to just make stuff up and have it accepted because the scientific community is a self regulating system of professionals.

Very well said. Science is self-correcting. Unfortunately most people here don't even know what that means.

 

[All Else Failed]

There are professional Christian scientists who have the same system. So, if you say they are corrupt, who is to say that evolutionists would not be just as corrupt?

I will bet hard earned money that any serious Christian scientist accepts evolution.

Actual scientists are not "corrupt" because like I said a thousand times before, the scientific community is set up to not allow corruption of facts. Its as simple as that.

 

[SgtSpike]

Partial list of Creationist scientists
(past and present)

• 600+ voting scientists of the Creation Research Society (voting membership requires at least an earned master's degree in a recognized area of science).
• 150 Ph.D. scientists and 300 other scientists with masters degrees in science or engineering are members of the Korea Association of Creation Research. The President of KACR is the distinguished scientist and Professor Young-Gil Kim of the Korea Advanced Institute of Science and Technology. Ph.D. in Materials Science, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute / highly distinguished / inventor of various important high-tech alloys.

(Note: The following list is very incomplete. Inclusion of any person on this list is in no way an endorsement, nor does it necessarily indicate anything about their religious beliefs.)

• Gerald E. Aardsma (physicist and radiocarbon dating)
• Louis Agassiz (helped develop the study of glacial geology and of ichthyology)
• Alexander Arndt (analytical chemist, etc.) [more info]
• Steven A. Austin (geologist and coal formation expert) [more info]
• Charles Babbage (helped develop science of computers / developed actuarial tables and the calculating machine)
• Francis Bacon (developed the Scientific Method)
• Thomas G. Barnes (physicist) [more info]
• Robert Boyle (helped develop sciences of chemistry and gas dynamics)
• Wernher von Braun (pioneer of rocketry and space exploration)
• David Brewster (helped develop science of optical mineralogy)
• Arthur V. Chadwick (geologist) [more info]
• Melvin Alonzo Cook (physical chemist, Nobel Prize nominee) [more info]
• Georges Cuvier (helped develop sciences of comparative anatomy and vertebrate paleontology)
• Humphry Davy (helped develop science of thermokinetics)
• Donald B. DeYoung (physicist, specializing in solid-state, nuclear science and astronomy) [more info]
• Henri Fabre (helped develop science of insect entomology)
• Michael Faraday (helped develop science of electromagnetics / developed the Field Theory / invented the electric generator)
• Danny R. Faulkner (astronomer) [more info]
• Ambrose Fleming (helped develop science of electronics / invented thermionic valve)
• Robert V. Gentry (physicist and chemist) [more info]
• Duane T. Gish (biochemist) [more info]
• John Grebe (chemist) [more info]
• Joseph Henry (invented the electric motor and the galvanometer / discovered self-induction)
• William Herschel (helped develop science of galactic astronomy / discovered double stars / developed the Global Star Catalog)
• George F. Howe (botanist) [more info]
• D. Russell Humphreys (award-winning physicist) [more info]
• James P. Joule (developed reversible thermodynamics)
• Johann Kepler (helped develop science of physical astronomy / developed the Ephemeris Tables)
• John W. Klotz (geneticist and biologist) [more info]
• Leonid Korochkin (geneticist) [more info]
• Lane P. Lester (geneticist and biologist) [more info]
• Carolus Linnaeus (helped develop sciences of taxonomy and systematic biology / developed the Classification System)
• Joseph Lister (helped develop science of antiseptic surgery)
• Frank L. Marsh (biologist) [more info]
• Matthew Maury (helped develop science of oceanography/hydrography)
• James Clerk Maxwell (helped develop the science of electrodynamics)
• Gregor Mendel (founded the modern science of genetics)
• Samuel F. B. Morse (invented the telegraph)
• Isaac Newton (helped develop science of dynamics and the discipline of calculus / father of the Law of Gravity / invented the reflecting telescope)
• Gary E. Parker (biologist and paleontologist) [more info]
• Blaise Pascal (helped develop science of hydrostatics / invented the barometer)
• Louis Pasteur (helped develop science of bacteriology / discovered the Law of Biogenesis / invented fermentation control / developed vaccinations and immunizations)
• William Ramsay (helped develop the science of isotopic chemistry / discovered inert gases)
• John Ray (helped develop science of biology and natural science)
• Lord Rayleigh (helped develop science of dimensional analysis)
• Bernhard Riemann (helped develop non-Euclidean geometry)
• James Simpson (helped develop the field of gynecology / developed the use of chloroform)
• Nicholas Steno (helped develop the science of stratigraphy)
• George Stokes (helped develop science of fluid mechanics)
• Charles B. Thaxton (chemist) [more info]
• William Thompson (Lord Kelvin) (helped develop sciences of thermodynamics and energetics / invented the Absolute Temperature Scale / developed the Trans-Atlantic Cable)
• Larry Vardiman (astrophysicist and geophysicist) [more info]
• Leonardo da Vinci (helped develop science of hydraulics)
• Rudolf Virchow (helped develop science of pathology)
• A.J. (Monty) White (chemist) [more info]
• A.E. Wilder-Smith (chemist and pharmacology expert) [more info]
• John Woodward (helped develop the science of paleontology)

A more thorough list of current (and past) Creationist scientists is not provided for two reasons: (1) A complete list would be extremely lengthy, and (2) Some scientists would rather not have their name made public due to justified fear of job discrimination and persecution in today's atmosphere of limited academic freedom in Evolutionist-controlled institutions.

Source: Do real scientists believe in Creation? - ChristianAnswers.Net

You mean to tell me that none of these people, with masters degrees and Ph.D.'s are valid scientists?

 

[Minor Axis]

There's actually lots of evidence for a world wide flood, such as fish bones on top of mountains, etc.

I just watched a show on History Channel regarding evidence that the the Black Sea area used to be dry land until the Med broke through, hence The Great Flood. The theory is unproven.

I love History channel. I don't think their intent is to debunk the Bible, just a search for the truth. For example a recent show called Battles of the Bible said that when Moses escaped from Ramses across the Reed Sea (not the Red Sea), it is a marsh effected by tides. The show implied it was probable that Moses crossed and may have been aided by low tide and that Ramses forces got bogged down when they tried to cross.

The Bible also mentions the Israelites being led by God out of Egypt by a pillar of smoke by day and a pillar of fire by night. Battles of the Bible showed ancient images that indicate a common military tactic (the show implied Moses was a military tactician) was to lead a column with tall standards with a brazier on top that produced smoke during the day and fire at night for the purpose of sending signals to the column (the Israelites) that were following Moses. It's a miracle! Actually when you watch a show like this you can see something that feels like history versus an event that is shrouded and overpowered by the presence of God.

We would expect to find records of extremely ancient civilizations if the earth is as old as evolutionists claim, but no records of extremely ancient civilizations exist. Even Earth’s oldest writings support the idea of an earth that is only thousands of years old; there is no hint in them that the earth has existed for more than some thousands of years.

When the Earth was created a process that did not happen in a day (although the Bible likes to think in terms of days when it comes to creation), do you actually think it was habitable from the start?

 

[Panic]

I thought the earth was 4.5 billion years old. If that's young to some, okay, I don't consider that young.

And I thought the dinosaurs were wiped out by an asteroid that crashed into Earth, not a flood.

 

[groundpounder]

Well yeah, I know that. But these are newer fish, by carbon dating/evolutionary lineage/any other form of dating you want to use. I'll have to find the source for that.

didn't you say that carbon dating was crap? :dunno

oh yeah, right here

...so how can we say that carbon dating is accurate when we don't know how much carbon those plants and animals had in them to begin with?

you're giving us young Earth folks a bad name....

 

[Tim]

I thought the earth was 4.5 billion years old. If that's young to some, okay, I don't consider that young.

And I thought the dinosaurs were wiped out by an asteroid that crashed into Earth, not a flood.

Evangelical Christians believe that the earth was created in just 6 days a little over 6000 years ago. A literal translation of the bible.

 

[Panic]

Evangelical Christians believe that the earth was created in just 6 days a little over 6000 years ago. A literal translation of the bible.

I thought the Grand Canyon alone was created over a period of 6 MILLION years.

 

[groundpounder]

Evangelical Christians...

I love me some evangelicals. They good peoples

make life interesting, much like godless liberals. :24:

 

[All Else Failed]

Source: Do real scientists believe in Creation? - ChristianAnswers.Net

You mean to tell me that none of these people, with masters degrees and Ph.D.'s are valid scientists?

Oh woah, 600 idiots out of MILLIONS OF SCIENTISTS.

didn't you say that carbon dating was crap? :dunno

oh yeah, right hereyou're giving us young Earth folks a bad name....

You tend to do that on your own, babe :jk




But seriously, saying the Earth is only a few thousand years old is intellectually dishonest, and slaps the face of every scientist that worked their entire lives in their own fields.

 

[Minor Axis]

I thought the earth was 4.5 billion years old. If that's young to some, okay, I don't consider that young.

And I thought the dinosaurs were wiped out by an asteroid that crashed into Earth, not a flood.

I believe the overwelming scientific consensus is that a meteor did in the dinos and (OF COURSE) it was long before humans existed. The Yucatan crater was considered the culprit, but that is not so certain today as questions have been raised regarding the age of this impact as alone being responsible. Experts do seem to feel that it was a combination of vulcanic activity and metero impacts that finished the dinos off. See this Science and Nature article.

 

[Minor Axis]

Evangelical Christians believe that the earth was created in just 6 days a little over 6000 years ago. A literal translation of the bible.

That is what happens when you take a compilation of translated papers and try to turn them into something they are not. What is most interesting is that these writings were individually produced over hundreds of years and somehow the church decided to push them as the word of God.

 

[dt3]

Source: Do real scientists believe in Creation? - ChristianAnswers.Net

You mean to tell me that none of these people, with masters degrees and Ph.D.'s are valid scientists?

The vast majority of the people in the list you posted lived BEFORE Darwin advanced his theory of evolution and before the Big Bang theory. So of course they were creationists, they had no other alternatives! :willy_nilly: