Carter Says Obama Row Is Racist

[Peter Parka]

I always find people who cry racist, as bad as the racist themselves and a complete insult and a slap in the face to people who really have been subject to racial abuse, violence and discrimination.

 

[Accountable]

I always find people who cry racist, as bad as the racist themselves and a complete insult and a slap in the face to people who really have been subject to racial abuse, violence and discrimination.

:nod::nod: Definitely! when it's as unfounded as this. :nod::nod:

 

[Peter Parka]

To be honest, I've found the outcrying by the right against Obama more to do with a McCarthyesque paranoia against anything even slightly leftist than anything to do with the colour of his skin, anyway. Take the people who moan about him on Otz, the're always banging on about him being an evil socialist but apart from the odd idiot, never heard anyone even indirectly having a problem with his skin colour.

 

[MoonOwl]

Tho, that is not to say that racism is dead in this country. Cuz, sadly, it isn't.

 

[nova]

I always find people who cry racist, as bad as the racist themselves and a complete insult and a slap in the face to people who really have been subject to racial abuse, violence and discrimination.

It really does belittle actual racism. There are times I believe that people crying racism have never been exposed to the pernicious evil thing that is real and true racism.

When I was in college, I had the distinct displeasure of being forced into a group project with a couple guys who turned out to be card carrying members of the KKK. I think the only way I could have been closer to pure evil is if satan himself had appeared asking to buy my soul....

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

Dunno about in the rest of the USA but on Otz, when Bush was in power, the members here who slagged off the war and what he were doing were constantly being told they were unpatriotic or in my case, an American basher.

Once again, we pull the old what's good for the goose is good for the gander card? The unfortunate thing is that color seems to transcend what is good for the country. That's the issue I have with that. The ignorant, backwards rednecks who use race as a reason to not support someone are more of a minority than we think.
The guy won the fucking election by a landslide, a huge margin, can't he take some solace in that? Does everyone in the country have to get beind him on policy? I agree with accountable on this, race is a distraction that is used to overshadow deeper issues, like his policies aren't what's best for the MAJORITY of the country, at least not from what I've seen. Heavier tax burdens and class warfare helps nobody except who he's trying to help.
I didn't like anyting about Bush, with the exception of telling the UN to get fucked, which should have been done years ago. And oh by the way, you want to talk about a ruinous presidency, read up on the Carter years</p>

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

It really does belittle actual racism. There are times I believe that people crying racism have never been exposed to the pernicious evil thing that is real and true racism.

When I was in college, I had the distinct displeasure of being forced into a group project with a couple guys who turned out to be card carrying members of the KKK. I think the only way I could have been closer to pure evil is if satan himself had appeared asking to buy my soul....

But those idiots are a very small faction of the population. Carter did what most do playing the race card, they paint with broad strokes, so everone one will run out and feel as if they have to prove thay have no issues with race. It's racial posturing and it's bad business.

 

[Peter Parka]

Once again, we pull the old what's good for the goose is good for the gander card? The unfortunate thing is that color seems to transcend what is good for the country. That's the issue I have with that. The ignorant, backwards rednecks who use race as a reason to not support someone are more of a minority than we think.
The guy won the fucking election by a landslide, a huge margin, can't he take some solace in that? Does everyone in the country have to get beind him on policy? I agree with accountable on this, race is a distraction that is used to overshadow deeper issues, like his policies aren't what's best for the MAJORITY of the country, at least not from what I've seen. Heavier tax burdens and class warfare helps nobody except who he's trying to help.
I didn't like anyting about Bush, with the exception of telling the UN to get fucked, which should have been done years ago. And oh by the way, you want to talk about a ruinous presidency, read up on the Carter years</p>

Dont forget the idiots who only voted for Obama because he was black (cough Kayne West cough) The're just as big as racists.
Oh, and yeah, from what I've read about Carter, he wasn't that great so I agree with you there too. :thumbup

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

Dont forget the idiots who only voted for Obama because he was black (cough Kayne West cough) The're just as big as racists.
Oh, and yeah, from what I've read about Carter, he wasn't that great so I agree with you there too. :thumbup

Good point Pete. Shit you should teach history, you know as much about American politics as most Americans

 

[Peter Parka]

Good old Otz! I like a debate and only really got interested in it as that's all that seems to be debated here, still annoys the hell out of me though! Don't think I'll ever understand Americans!:willy_nilly:

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

Good old Otz! I like a debate and only really got interested in it as that's all that seems to be debated here, still annoys the hell out of me though! Don't think I'll ever understand Americans!:willy_nilly:

Me neither :24:

 

[nova]

! Don't think I'll ever understand Americans!:willy_nilly:

Not a new thing. I think Brits not understanding Americans is part of the reason you guys got sent packing a couple hundred years ago :jk

 

[Peter Parka]

And there was me thinking it was because you wet your knickers so badly about tea that you went mad and ran around dressed as red Indians whooping and throwing crates into the sea, you haven't really regained your sanity since!:jk

 

[nova]

And there was me thinking it was because you wet your knickers so badly about tea that you went mad and ran around dressed as red Indians whooping and throwing crates into the sea, you haven't really regained your sanity since!:jk

:24: Reminds me of this

 

[Peter Parka]

lol!:24:

 

[Minor Axis]

I listened today to a series of sound bites from the most extreme statements that have come out of the so called "tea parties" and I'm willing to bet if racism is not involved then it is a collection of some of the most extreme idiots in this country. It's scary "pick up a gun" talk and nobody in the Republican Party is denouncing the "extreme" if it helps them politically. I'm talking "nazi, ss, marshall law, round up people, destory America" talk. Where were these people when the Bush Administration was pushing the Patriot Act?

 

[nova]

I listened today to a series of sound bites from the most extreme statements that have come out of the so called "tea parties" and I'm willing to bet if racism is not involved then it is a collection of some of the most extreme idiots in this country.

Because its perfectly legit to take the actions/words of a small minority of a group and project them onto the entire group right? Is that what I'm hearing? Makes it really easy to deligitimize the concerns of the whole group in your mind doesn't it?

Sure puts a different light on people calling anti-war protesters unpatriotic treasonous communists a few years ago. I guess those were legit criticisms under the new paradigm of "don't criticize the admin." Of is the paradigm, "don't criticize the admin when they have Ds after their name"?

 

[Pabst]

i wonder if people really believe in and support the right to protest regardless of what is being protested or if they only support the right to protest when its something they agree with.

its one thing to not agree, its another to demean, belittle, marginalize and have a dismissive attitude towards others.

both sides are guilty of this but im more appalled by the left doing it since they know full well what its like to have such things done to them. i expected them to take a high road on this. clearly they have taken the low road.

people like janeane garofalo calling them all racists and saying its only because of racism is wrong. for others to glom on to that is wrong also.

i dont pretend that every last single person protesting isnt using his race as a reason but i dont think most are doing it because of his race. i think they see they're getting more of the same we got under bush. bush was no conservative and no republican, not by a long shot. in fact at least some of the people protesting are democrats and liberals.

hell even im ready to protest.

i strongly support everyone's right to protest, regardless of what they want to protest. i may not agree with their message but that doesnt mean i should marginalize it either. i consider it childish and karmic, it comes back to you when you wind up protesting one day. two wrongs dont make a right.

there ARE very legitimate reasons for these protests being given. there are a few nuts in every crowd, that doesnt mean the reasons for the protests are not valid or should be ignore.

anyone remember the anarchists that showed up for WTO protests? yeah they gave every last protester there who showed up to peacefully protest a bad rep as a result. that doesnt mean the reasons for the peaceful protesters are invalid as a result of the behavior of the anarchists.

learn to disseminate.

 

[Minor Axis]

Because its perfectly legit to take the actions/words of a small minority of a group and project them onto the entire group right? Is that what I'm hearing? Makes it really easy to deligitimize the concerns of the whole group in your mind doesn't it?

Not at all and no surprise you would jump to that conclusion. How small of a minority are they? When they make that much noise it's hard to tell and don't you think it diminishes and over shadows whatever legitimacy the people with legitimate concerns have? The extremists must be denounced, but we know that is not going to happen, because it does not serve the political ends now does it?

 

[retro]

I listened today to a series of sound bites from the most extreme statements that have come out of the so called "tea parties" and I'm willing to bet if racism is not involved then it is a collection of some of the most extreme idiots in this country. It's scary "pick up a gun" talk and nobody in the Republican Party is denouncing the "extreme" if it helps them politically. I'm talking "nazi, ss, marshall law, round up people, destory America" talk. Where were these people when the Bush Administration was pushing the Patriot Act?

Have you actually been to one of the tea parties? I'm guessing that's a no. If you knew anything about them, you'd know that there are people from all sides of the political spectrum represented; republicans, democrats, libertarians. Sure, there are some crazy extremists... but hell, Obama has been putting crazy extremists into positions of power since he took office.... Van Jones anyone? People are trying to make their voices heard, to tell the politicians that they don't like where the country is going.

I denounced the extreme right wing idiots as much as I did the left wing nutjobs during the Bush administration. But when you're being denounced by Nancy Pelosi and the rest of the democrats as "terrorists" for being a libertarian, there's something extremely wrong with that. This country was founded because a group of people took a stand and didn't want to maintain the status quo, didn't want to be ruled by a king that didn't give a shit about them, they took action, and the United States was born from a bunch of British colonies. People are trying to make those in power (effectively the kings of the country) listen to them, because it's becoming more and more obvious that none of them give a shit about us. What's wrong with that?