Belief or Disbelief in a God or Other Deity

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Tim

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For me, I'll make no such conclusion as yours because I'm simply in a state of wonder of this experience called life. I love to ponder it, feel it, taste it and experience it in every way that is right for me. Why limit ones self? Until we know for certian where life comes from and where life goes, Atheists that "know" there is no after life are no different than believers who "know" there is a heaven and a hell.

I will never say that I know anything for certain. I am an atheist that would change his mind upon new facts that may come to light one day. But for today, I have absolutely no reason to look for what I don't believe exists... just like unicorns (I know how much you like the analogy)

I am absolutely amazed at the complexity of the universe and how everything works. My mind is open
 
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I can understand this point... but when you do this with absolutely no basis of fact, you are doing nothing more than throwing a dart into the vast universe of possibilities.

So when someone says they believe their soul continues on after death, they should be given the same credibility as someone who believes in an eternal lake of fire to torment lost souls, or the individual who believes in reincarnation, aliens, planet Xenu, planet X, that we become stars, (insert every flight of fancy imaginable here)

Here is my point in a nut shell...
Because the idea of an afterlife is created out of our own imagination, we can conclude that it's as likely as any other dreamed up piece of fiction. Just because more people buy into the theory to comfort their own minds does not make it any more credible. So the Scientologist is just as correct as the Christian as is the spiritualist.... They all have the same credibility, right?

I don't say the soul continues. I say "I don't know", but the philosophical aspect of this is the contemplation of the purpose of life, why am I here, could there be more after physical death? Do the lessons we learn in this life serve a purpose and are they carried forward? Yes, the evidence is that when we die, that is the end. But I would feel uncomfortable staking a claim to that proposition. Events conspired to bring my consciousness into existence. I can't say with confidence it's a one time shot. I can't say I believe in ghosts, cause I've never seen one, but lots of people do and this type of phenomena gives a little wiggle room to the concept of spirits. If you accuse me of wishful thinking, I could not deny that either, but at least I admit it. :D
 
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I heard somewhere that God is only a collective, or a creative intelligence. By this definition, we are all gods. The consciousness (and, indeed, the physical body) are products of energy wave propagation. How energy came to be in the cosmos in the first place is a question we may never know the answer to, like the origins of space and time. What I'm confident of, however, is that this energy exists in the forms of matter and forces interacting with matter (perhaps other forms entirely, which we haven't found yet).
I believe that the universe is structured such that at the heart of every thing lies another everything, and all life and perception is the emanation of a collective, pure energy source.

It seems that nothing in the whole cosmos is at rest. Not only this, but nothing in the whole cosmos is objectively defined, either. That is, by observing something, you are giving it definition. Before you observed it, it was existent in innumerable virtual states. At this stage in our evolution as human beings, our perceptions define our world, and our intentions change it. When we're made aware of them, these processes can be taken on consciously.
If somebody asked me where to find god, I'd tell them to go within their own mind; the inner realms form a framework for the perception of and interaction with all the external manifestations. "As above, so below and beyond."

I've found particular interest in the idea that consciousness is non-local (that is, present throughout the universe, quite like a force), and conducted by the brain via microscopic protein structures within the microtubular lattice comprising our neural networks. This renders the brain something of a computer, receiving, processing and expressing information via the non-local consciousness (or zero-point-field) and makes it theoretically possible to know or perceive anything in all of space and time. We just don't because we don't normally need to. The world that we see is not the world we live in, and every person perceives differently.

Where we are going as a race, though, is a topic of some concern. We evolved on this planet with no idea as to how or why, and, sure, we did pretty damn well, considering that we had no help, at all, whatsoever. But, it seems, we've done some crippling things to our little rock, and communication is the only hope we have of surviving as a species. As I see it, creative intelligence is eternal, the non-local, non-physical manifestation of pure energy, and the physical manifestation is an emanation thereof, making all life basically eternal. Physicality, of course, undergoes constant change, as this energy form can only sustain itself that way. Death is new life and so on, and so forth. After body-death, the consciousness returns to the non-local source, until a new body evolves to conduct it.

My conclusion is that humans are the most amazing things that have happened thus far, intention is the strongest force in the universe, and God is a collective - a continuum.
 

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I heard somewhere that God is only a collective, or a creative intelligence. By this definition, we are all gods.

This is a good illustration of how God has become such an ambiguous concept in recent times. When someone says, "I believe in God" it really tells you very little.

Welcome to OTZ Corbidaska. I think you're going to make a good addition to the best section here. :)
 

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I heard somewhere that God is only a collective, or a creative intelligence. By this definition, we are all gods. The consciousness (and, indeed, the physical body) are products of energy wave propagation. How energy came to be in the cosmos in the first place is a question we may never know the answer to, like the origins of space and time. What I'm confident of, however, is that this energy exists in the forms of matter and forces interacting with matter (perhaps other forms entirely, which we haven't found yet).
I believe that the universe is structured such that at the heart of every thing lies another everything, and all life and perception is the emanation of a collective, pure energy source.

It seems that nothing in the whole cosmos is at rest. Not only this, but nothing in the whole cosmos is objectively defined, either. That is, by observing something, you are giving it definition. Before you observed it, it was existent in innumerable virtual states. At this stage in our evolution as human beings, our perceptions define our world, and our intentions change it. When we're made aware of them, these processes can be taken on consciously.
If somebody asked me where to find god, I'd tell them to go within their own mind; the inner realms form a framework for the perception of and interaction with all the external manifestations. "As above, so below and beyond."

I've found particular interest in the idea that consciousness is non-local (that is, present throughout the universe, quite like a force), and conducted by the brain via microscopic protein structures within the microtubular lattice comprising our neural networks. This renders the brain something of a computer, receiving, processing and expressing information via the non-local consciousness (or zero-point-field) and makes it theoretically possible to know or perceive anything in all of space and time. We just don't because we don't normally need to. The world that we see is not the world we live in, and every person perceives differently.

Where we are going as a race, though, is a topic of some concern. We evolved on this planet with no idea as to how or why, and, sure, we did pretty damn well, considering that we had no help, at all, whatsoever. But, it seems, we've done some crippling things to our little rock, and communication is the only hope we have of surviving as a species. As I see it, creative intelligence is eternal, the non-local, non-physical manifestation of pure energy, and the physical manifestation is an emanation thereof, making all life basically eternal. Physicality, of course, undergoes constant change, as this energy form can only sustain itself that way. Death is new life and so on, and so forth. After body-death, the consciousness returns to the non-local source, until a new body evolves to conduct it.

My conclusion is that humans are the most amazing things that have happened thus far, intention is the strongest force in the universe, and God is a collective - a continuum.

I thoroughly enjoyed reading that. Thanks and welcome to OTz!
 

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My conclusion is that humans are the most amazing things that have happened thus far, intention is the strongest force in the universe, and God is a collective - a continuum.

Ironic, sometimes I think humans are the worst thing that has happened so far.

I guess our future may depend on how we use our intelligence, but so far throughout our limited history, our batting average hasn't been great.

I heard somewhere that God is only a collective, or a creative intelligence. By this definition, we are all gods. The consciousness (and, indeed, the physical body) are products of energy wave propagation. How energy came to be in the cosmos in the first place is a question we may never know the answer to, like the origins of space and time. What I'm confident of, however, is that this energy exists in the forms of matter and forces interacting with matter (perhaps other forms entirely, which we haven't found yet).
I believe that the universe is structured such that at the heart of every thing lies another everything, and all life and perception is the emanation of a collective, pure energy source.

It seems that nothing in the whole cosmos is at rest. Not only this, but nothing in the whole cosmos is objectively defined, either. That is, by observing something, you are giving it definition. Before you observed it, it was existent in innumerable virtual states. At this stage in our evolution as human beings, our perceptions define our world, and our intentions change it. When we're made aware of them, these processes can be taken on consciously.
If somebody asked me where to find god, I'd tell them to go within their own mind; the inner realms form a framework for the perception of and interaction with all the external manifestations. "As above, so below and beyond."
Any Star Wars fan knows the Force is real:D
 
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Any Star Wars fan knows the Force is real:D

Geeze Joe, that was quite condescending yet ironic coming from a guy who believes a non-historically documented fictional character walked on water. :willy_nilly:

Lighten up, you don't have to be a dick everyday. :asshole: :p :)

Disclaimer to staff: I've known Joe for years and this post is in keeping with our friendly banter. Please don't spank me (unless you're a hot chick..then spank away...:D)
 

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I heard somewhere that God is only a collective, or a creative intelligence. By this definition, we are all gods. The consciousness (and, indeed, the physical body) are products of energy wave propagation. How energy came to be in the cosmos in the first place is a question we may never know the answer to, like the origins of space and time. What I'm confident of, however, is that this energy exists in the forms of matter and forces interacting with matter (perhaps other forms entirely, which we haven't found yet).
I believe that the universe is structured such that at the heart of every thing lies another everything, and all life and perception is the emanation of a collective, pure energy source.

It seems that nothing in the whole cosmos is at rest. Not only this, but nothing in the whole cosmos is objectively defined, either. That is, by observing something, you are giving it definition. Before you observed it, it was existent in innumerable virtual states. At this stage in our evolution as human beings, our perceptions define our world, and our intentions change it. When we're made aware of them, these processes can be taken on consciously.
If somebody asked me where to find god, I'd tell them to go within their own mind; the inner realms form a framework for the perception of and interaction with all the external manifestations. "As above, so below and beyond."

I've found particular interest in the idea that consciousness is non-local (that is, present throughout the universe, quite like a force), and conducted by the brain via microscopic protein structures within the microtubular lattice comprising our neural networks. This renders the brain something of a computer, receiving, processing and expressing information via the non-local consciousness (or zero-point-field) and makes it theoretically possible to know or perceive anything in all of space and time. We just don't because we don't normally need to. The world that we see is not the world we live in, and every person perceives differently.

Where we are going as a race, though, is a topic of some concern. We evolved on this planet with no idea as to how or why, and, sure, we did pretty damn well, considering that we had no help, at all, whatsoever. But, it seems, we've done some crippling things to our little rock, and communication is the only hope we have of surviving as a species. As I see it, creative intelligence is eternal, the non-local, non-physical manifestation of pure energy, and the physical manifestation is an emanation thereof, making all life basically eternal. Physicality, of course, undergoes constant change, as this energy form can only sustain itself that way. Death is new life and so on, and so forth. After body-death, the consciousness returns to the non-local source, until a new body evolves to conduct it.

My conclusion is that humans are the most amazing things that have happened thus far, intention is the strongest force in the universe, and God is a collective - a continuum.

Much like a take on the anthropic principle with a blend of that of a cosmic consciousness with some reincarnation thrown in.

You are closer than theists with their sky daddy but I cannot see our consciousness' acting like yo-yos and going back and forth like that.
That and a total lack of evidence.

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Ironic, sometimes I think humans are the worst thing that has happened so far.

I guess our future may depend on how we use our intelligence, but so far throughout our limited history, our batting average hasn't been great.

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Look again for the first time.

If you saw any other species mastering it's environment the way man has, would you think it is going against it's instincts and penalize it for being successful?

Sure we create some problem but nothing that we cannot overcome and adjust over time.

I say we are doing quite well and that you might note that the markers for some evils are at the lowest that man has ever known. like slavery and violent crimes. No guff.
I can link you if you do not find anything to refute this and I believe that you will not.

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Ironic, sometimes I think humans are the worst thing that has happened so far.

I guess our future may depend on how we use our intelligence, but so far throughout our limited history, our batting average hasn't been great.

I would totally disagree with this...

I don't think we are that bad as a human race. It's just that we are very good at dwelling on the negative to a point where all else seems lost.

Even in countries where pain and suffering are a daily occurrence, there is light, hope and joy. The human spirit is alive and well but so easily overlooked.
 

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I don't believe in God. My parents have never really had a conversation with me about it, though I do know that my father is not a believer. I have come to these conclusions myself without any influence whatsoever, so I disagree that it is to do with surroundings or where you live. I believe the stricter religions use indoctrination as a form of educating the young about the subject, but even in these cases there are some that dismiss it. Until God/Gods come down from the sky and tell me that I am wrong I won't believe it, and to be honest even then I'd be more inclined to say that I'm a Schizophrenic. I think a lot of it is to do with faith, to have something to use when the going gets tough, etc. All to their own however, and I respect that everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
 

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For me, I'll make no such conclusion as yours because I'm simply in a state of wonder of this experience called life. I love to ponder it, feel it, taste it and experience it in every way that is right for me. Why limit ones self? Until we know for certian where life comes from and where life goes, Atheists that "know" there is no after life are no different than believers who "know" there is a heaven and a hell.

I'll repeat myself and add that events conspired to create your consciousness. Whose to say it could not happen again in another time, place, dimension? Those who only believe that only what is readily apparent will result in a known outcome, are most likely going to be disappointed, but with a nod to Tim, only if they have the awareness to enjoy it.

An interesting notion is that of previous lives that you can't remember anything about. It only makes sense if you can remember. But possible upon your physical passing, consciousness continues and memories are restored. Lol. Do I believe it? No. Is it desirable? Definitely. Is it possible? Sure. Am I planning on it? Not really but what a thrill if it was true! :)
 
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I don't believe in God. My parents have never really had a conversation with me about it, though I do know that my father is not a believer. I have come to these conclusions myself without any influence whatsoever, so I disagree that it is to do with surroundings or where you live. I believe the stricter religions use indoctrination as a form of educating the young about the subject, but even in these cases there are some that dismiss it. Until God/Gods come down from the sky and tell me that I am wrong I won't believe it, and to be honest even then I'd be more inclined to say that I'm a Schizophrenic. I think a lot of it is to do with faith, to have something to use when the going gets tough, etc. All to their own however, and I respect that everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

That would take honest thought and a honest conclusion followed by honest actions..
That is not the Christian way.
If you tube I D trial, you will see to what length Christians will go to in lying.
They lied to schools and even tried it on the judge.
If you don't find it, let me know, I will link you.

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I say we are doing quite well and that you might note that the markers for some evils are at the lowest that man has ever known. like slavery and violent crimes. No guff.

I would totally disagree with this...

I don't think we are that bad as a human race. It's just that we are very good at dwelling on the negative to a point where all else seems lost.

:thumbup It's good to see everyone isn't on the humanity bashing bandwagon.
 
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