Are you riding Jesus or are you elevating him?

[Minor Axis]

One person's treasure is another person's rubbish.

 

[Tuffdisc]

One person's treasure is another person's rubbish.

Really? Is that what you think? What sense has come out of that guy? Nothing but negative stuff:thumbdown

 

[BornReady]

second, since God created us, he can damn well do as he wishes with us.

I disagree. God didn't create me, my parents did. But whether God created me or not isn't really relevant to what he can do. What is relevant is God's power. If he is powerful enough then he can do anything he wants. However, might does not make right. It's our right, even responsibility, to judge everyone's actions according to our moral code. And if a fair judgment concludes the person is bad then the person is bad. It doesn't matter if he's a homeless bum, the president of the USA or God.

 

[Tuffdisc]

I disagree. God didn't create me, my parents did. But whether God created me or not isn't really relevant to what he can do. What is relevant is God's power. If he is powerful enough then he can do anything he wants. However, might does not make right. It's our right, even responsibility, to judge everyone's actions according to our moral code. And if a fair judgment concludes the person is bad then the person is bad. It doesn't matter if he's a homeless bum, the president of the USA or God.

Who created your parents and forefathers? Yes I agree with evolution, but where did all the animals come from? Bacteria? Where did that come from? Outer space, where did outer space come from? Now did he create you or not?

 

[Minor Axis]

Really? Is that what you think? What sense has come out of that guy? Nothing but negative stuff:thumbdown

When you say an idea is 'rubbish' all you have done is express your indignation. This does not really add substance to the discussion. While I admit that GIA overdoes it with his anti-Christian posts, bunches and bunches of such posts, I agree with many of his premises. Religious documents from any faith are ripe to be picked apart by anyone who wants to apply common sense logic and a moderate level of skepticism.

If you don't think his premises are correct there are only two real choices, ignore him, or start using logic on him. For myself, who looks with suspicion upon any holy book as a source of ultimate truth, quoting scripture really proves nothing and definitely does not qualify as logic. It just indicates you have bought into the dogma. The best defense is to say "it's my faith" and leave it at that. There is really no room for arguing logic in support of religion.

I hope you hold no ill will directed at me of having such opinions.

 

[Tuffdisc]

When you say an idea is 'rubbish' all you have done is express your indignation. This does not really add substance to the discussion. While I admit that GIA overdoes it with his anti-Christian posts, bunches and bunches of such posts, I agree with many of his premises. Religious documents from any faith are ripe to be picked apart by anyone who wants to apply common sense logic and a moderate level of skepticism.

If you don't think his premises are correct there are only two real choices, ignore him, or start using logic on him. For myself, who looks with suspicion upon any holy book as a source of ultimate truth, quoting scripture really proves nothing and definitely does not qualify as logic. It just indicates you have bought into the dogma. The best defense is to say "it's my faith" and leave it at that. There is really no room for arguing logic in support of religion.

I hope you hold no ill will directed at me of having such opinions.

I have used logic, he seems to brush everyone with this attitude that he always right, and adds insults and looks down on people who answer him, questioning his posts when he finds that people suss him out, that isn't being logical is it now?

 

[BornReady]

Who created your parents and forefathers? Yes I agree with evolution, but where did all the animals come from? Bacteria? Where did that come from? Outer space, where did outer space come from? Now did he create you or not?

Even if God created outer space, that's hardly the same as creating me. My parents did that. But, like I said, it's not really relevant. If God is powerful enough then he can do whatever he wants to me regardless of who created me. However, might does not make right. Now if we want to talk about what's right then no. God can not do whatever he wants. He must act according to my moral code in order for me to judge him as good. If I do not stick to my moral code then my judgments and praise become meaningless. And so do yours.

 

[Greatest I am]

Who are you to tell anyone that no one can speak to you? Are you a fascist that no one can question you?

Where did I say that no one could speak to me?

Get the quote.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

As has been mentioned in another thread recently the notion of God requiring a sacrifice to grant forgiveness is rather stupid considering Jesus is supposed to end up partying in heaven in the true spiritual existence. In human terms death is a sacrifice. In spiritual terms not really.

Agreed. 3 days of R & R is not sacrificing anything.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

Sorry, but that is our prerogative, not yours or anyone else to forgive, ok? Get it into your head now, and stop these stupid threads, they don't mean anything, all it is one 60 year old opinion, who goes around 20 different forums, spewing the same rubbish all the time.

In all your 60 years, have you not had one minuscule of a brain cell to even think? I don't think you have...you take everything that is in the Bible that is in your opinion 'a bad thing' you don't even mention any good that is in the Bible, because you know that the religion isn't about hate

This Bishop does not agree with you. He has moved on to a better view. You should follow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF6I5VSZVqc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZM3FXlLMug

Regards
DL

 

[Minor Axis]

I have used logic, he seems to brush everyone with this attitude that he always right, and adds insults and looks down on people who answer him, questioning his posts when he finds that people suss him out, that isn't being logical is it now?

He is adamant in his views as are many others. Just tell him you disagree with his outlook and step away.

 

[Xeno]

I agree. Whoever did the crime should do the time. Substitutionary atonement may have made sense to the ancient Hebrews but we're civilized now.

I agree with you 100% on the fact that if someone does the crime that they should indeed do the time, but as far as expressing the idea that we are civilized nowadays is a bit far fetched. The world that surrounds us is proof that we are not even close. I believe in order to be civilized we must stop turning a blind eye to the ones that seek our help. That would be the civilized thing to do. It would be the right thing to do overall. Then again...that is a discussion for another thread and time. Just my own thoughts as usual.

 

[Greatest I am]

I agree with you 100% on the fact that if someone does the crime that they should indeed do the time, but as far as expressing the idea that we are civilized nowadays is a bit far fetched. The world that surrounds us is proof that we are not even close. I believe in order to be civilized we must stop turning a blind eye to the ones that seek our help. That would be the civilized thing to do. It would be the right thing to do overall. Then again...that is a discussion for another thread and time. Just my own thoughts as usual.

That is the promise of end times but those are not likely to come any time soon.
God does not care about the 6 million that starve to death yearly and the religious majority seem to follow that trait better than they do the good ones.

The strange thing is that there is likely the subconscious motivation out there to do what is right but there isd no organizational force large enough to do it.

So like the Zeitgest group and Project reason are trying but the numbers are not there as yet.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

He is adamant in his views as are many others. Just tell him you disagree with his outlook and step away.

He cannot. Like most Christians who love to hate, his hate drives him to hold a grudge and keep coming back for more. Rather pathetic and I do not like to take advantage of the mentally disadvantaged but hey, I follow my bliss and keep giving those of his ilk my tough love.

Regards
DL

 

[GuesSAngel]

woah. didn't read anything else but the title. i would ride jesus


...besides I heard that he's into whips and bondage :ninja

 

[BornReady]

I agree with you 100% on the fact that if someone does the crime that they should indeed do the time, but as far as expressing the idea that we are civilized nowadays is a bit far fetched.

I stand corrected. Good job. :thumbup

I would like to think we are moving in the right direction at least overall.

 

[Xeno]

Well I do not believe or disbelieve in God either way. I am more in the middle. I know there is something out there, but I do not know what it is exactly. All I am saying is that we are expecting "special effects" or a supreme being to come and save us from ourselves. Perhaps salvation is is within us. It reminds me of the guy who was drowning and refused to accept help from anyone because he believed God would save him. When he asked why God refused to save him he had replied, "I did send three boats your way." Maybe the salvation we deny and say does not exist so therefore God does not exist is really within us. We could be the answer especially if we were the problem. I do not believe it was God who made us go to war with one another, who made us kill one another, and destroy our own planet. Overall, it is in our hands to save ourselves from ourselves. I believe it is possible, but only when we stop arguing that it can not be done. I mean we can talk about it for years to come, but unless we act then nothing shall ever get done in the end. Just my own thoughts though.

Thank you, BornReady. I would like to agree to that as well. We are headed in the right direction, but it seems that the chaos happening this year is backtracking us a bit nowadays.

 

[Greatest I am]

woah. didn't read anything else but the title. i would ride jesus


...besides I heard that he's into whips and bondage :ninja

Hard to say what he was up to in hell when he spent his three days of R & R there.

Alien Gods have weird tastes.

http://imgur.com/3C7G1

Regards
DL

 

[Tuffdisc]

He cannot. Like most Christians who love to hate, his hate drives him to hold a grudge and keep coming back for more. Rather pathetic and I do not like to take advantage of the mentally disadvantaged but hey, I follow my bliss and keep giving those of his ilk my tough love.

Regards
DL

See another misconstruing of Christianity, I think you better go to the doctor and see if you have a brain inside that head of you, because I seriously doubt you have

 

[Xeno]

See another misconstruing of Christianity, I think you better go to the doctor and see if you have a brain inside that head of you, because I seriously doubt you have

No matter the views of one individual or a mass we must learn to respect their opinions and ideals so long as it does not harm anyone physically. Though, in my own opinion, I think in order for us to move forward towards peace we must start accepting different beliefs and ideals overall. It should not define who we are as a person, but how unique we are as a human beings. Freedom of thought is a precious gift and we should learn to respect everyone's thoughts no matter if they contradict our own beliefs. At least we share one thing in common and that is a vision of peace. Perhaps not all of us, but most of us. Just my own thoughts as usual.