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Do you believe in Angels?
I have stated in another thread I am an Athiest but I do believe in Angels not as mesingers of God but as Guardians and helpers not in a direct sense but in little things that make small changes that affect bigger things in your life
 
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Seeing as there has been zero evidence of the supernatural in the natural world, how could they possibly affect change in the natural world?

I don't believe in angels any more than I believe in the tooth fairy.
 

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Do you believe in Angels?
I have stated in another thread I am an Athiest but I do believe in Angels not as mesingers of God but as Guardians and helpers not in a direct sense but in little things that make small changes that affect bigger things in your life

Watch it Atheist, your getting close to being SPIRITUAL. :D
 

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Watch it Atheist, your getting close to being SPIRITUAL. :D

lol I love Solariskun's post. It illustrates something I often say. The word atheist tells you very little about a person. It simply means a(not)-theist. That is, he/she is not a theist (does not have a belief in a personal God). Yet, some would have you believe atheists are the scourge of the earth who eat children for breakfast. I can't say there isn't an atheist like that somewhere but it has nothing to do with being an atheist.

When I tell someone I'm an atheist they really know very little about me. When I say I'm a humanist, now they know a lot more.
 

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I meditate thats spiritual but more mind and body sorta thing, helping work stress and unwanted emotions out of your sysytem or let ones you do want in.
 

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Do you believe in Angels?
I have stated in another thread I am an Athiest but I do believe in Angels not as mesingers of God but as Guardians and helpers not in a direct sense but in little things that make small changes that affect bigger things in your life


I DO believe in angels.
My angel story:
My Nana and I talked about being afraid to die after my Grandpa passed away. We were uncertain of a life hereafter. We promised that whoever went first "If there was a hereafter" would be each others angel...and send a sign. Prior to my Nana's death she had bought me a butterfly bush because I expressed that I loved butterflies, specifically Monarchs. 3 yrs after her death, I was helpless, hopeless and on the verge of death. It was SEPT...cold month here...and I opened the curtain to my pic window to look out at the world that I hated. On my evergreen was a MONARCH. I knew immediately it was a sign..but after a few days...I discounted it. I was with a good friend a few months later who was telling me she had been diagnosed with cancer while we were out smoking at work....I sat down on the bench distraught....there were about 15 people in this smoking area....a MONARCH butterfly came and landed on my shoe....it brought me strength in that moment. A few months later 400 people were being laid off at my job...I was in a frenzy leaving work one day and I was in the ICE COLD parking garage having a nervous breakdown....a MONARCH landed on my windshield as I was starting my car...a calm came over me. Lastly, this past August a DEAR friend of mine at 38 years old lost her 5 year battle of breast cancer.... The parking lot at the funeral home was empty when I pulled up early for the funeral....there were about 50 spots for me to pick to park in....I parked my car....opened the door to step out and talk on the phone....a DEAD MONARCH butterfly was laying in my parking spot. The person who gave the EULOGY at the funeral....said he struggled to describe my friend and asked God the night before to help him find something on the internet.....HE STARTED to talk about how he pulled up a piece about a BUTTERFLY and how beautful they are and how quickly they come and go from place to place...he said it reminded him of Christine and he READ the piece....I did not HEAR one word...because I was in such SHOCK that all of this was NOT a coincidence.....I DO BELIEVE in Angels.
 

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I DO believe in angels.
My angel story:
My Nana and I talked about being afraid to die after my Grandpa passed away. We were uncertain of a life hereafter. We promised that whoever went first "If there was a hereafter" would be each others angel...and send a sign. Prior to my Nana's death she had bought me a butterfly bush because I expressed that I loved butterflies, specifically Monarchs. 3 yrs after her death, I was helpless, hopeless and on the verge of death. It was SEPT...cold month here...and I opened the curtain to my pic window to look out at the world that I hated. On my evergreen was a MONARCH. I knew immediately it was a sign..but after a few days...I discounted it. I was with a good friend a few months later who was telling me she had been diagnosed with cancer while we were out smoking at work....I sat down on the bench distraught....there were about 15 people in this smoking area....a MONARCH butterfly came and landed on my shoe....it brought me strength in that moment. A few months later 400 people were being laid off at my job...I was in a frenzy leaving work one day and I was in the ICE COLD parking garage having a nervous breakdown....a MONARCH landed on my windshield as I was starting my car...a calm came over me. Lastly, this past August a DEAR friend of mine at 38 years old lost her 5 year battle of breast cancer.... The parking lot at the funeral home was empty when I pulled up early for the funeral....there were about 50 spots for me to pick to park in....I parked my car....opened the door to step out and talk on the phone....a DEAD MONARCH butterfly was laying in my parking spot. The person who gave the EULOGY at the funeral....said he struggled to describe my friend and asked God the night before to help him find something on the internet.....HE STARTED to talk about how he pulled up a piece about a BUTTERFLY and how beautful they are and how quickly they come and go from place to place...he said it reminded him of Christine and he READ the piece....I did not HEAR one word...because I was in such SHOCK that all of this was NOT a coincidence.....I DO BELIEVE in Angels.

I forgot to mention that the butterfly bush my Nana bought for me died and she was alive when it died and very dissappointed that it could not bring butterflies for me.
 

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I DO believe in angels.
My angel story:
My Nana and I talked about being afraid to die after my Grandpa passed away. We were uncertain of a life hereafter. We promised that whoever went first "If there was a hereafter" would be each others angel...and send a sign. Prior to my Nana's death she had bought me a butterfly bush because I expressed that I loved butterflies, specifically Monarchs. 3 yrs after her death, I was helpless, hopeless and on the verge of death. It was SEPT...cold month here...and I opened the curtain to my pic window to look out at the world that I hated. On my evergreen was a MONARCH. I knew immediately it was a sign..but after a few days...I discounted it. I was with a good friend a few months later who was telling me she had been diagnosed with cancer while we were out smoking at work....I sat down on the bench distraught....there were about 15 people in this smoking area....a MONARCH butterfly came and landed on my shoe....it brought me strength in that moment. A few months later 400 people were being laid off at my job...I was in a frenzy leaving work one day and I was in the ICE COLD parking garage having a nervous breakdown....a MONARCH landed on my windshield as I was starting my car...a calm came over me. Lastly, this past August a DEAR friend of mine at 38 years old lost her 5 year battle of breast cancer.... The parking lot at the funeral home was empty when I pulled up early for the funeral....there were about 50 spots for me to pick to park in....I parked my car....opened the door to step out and talk on the phone....a DEAD MONARCH butterfly was laying in my parking spot. The person who gave the EULOGY at the funeral....said he struggled to describe my friend and asked God the night before to help him find something on the internet.....HE STARTED to talk about how he pulled up a piece about a BUTTERFLY and how beautful they are and how quickly they come and go from place to place...he said it reminded him of Christine and he READ the piece....I did not HEAR one word...because I was in such SHOCK that all of this was NOT a coincidence.....I DO BELIEVE in Angels.

Wow I don't have any evidence that astounding, I find meditating a great way to gain strength from your guardian angel.
 

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I DO believe in angels.
My angel story:

Great story. The question is is this the work of an Angel or simply a sign from the other side? No matter really, confirmation of spiritual life after physical death would rock anyone's boat for the better me thinks. Of course I'm not saying that is confirmation although for you the answer would be yes. :)

lol I love Solariskun's post. It illustrates something I often say. The word atheist tells you very little about a person. It simply means a(not)-theist. That is, he/she is not a theist (does not have a belief in a personal God). Yet, some would have you believe atheists are the scourge of the earth who eat children for breakfast. I can't say there isn't an atheist like that somewhere but it has nothing to do with being an atheist.

When I tell someone I'm an atheist they really know very little about me. When I say I'm a humanist, now they know a lot more.

Most Atheists don't believe in God for the same reason they don't believe in spirits because those two concepts lay outside what can be proven.
 
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Great story. The question is is this the work of an Angel or simply a sign from the other side? No matter really, confirmation of spiritual life after physical death would rock anyone's boat for the better me thinks. Of course I'm not saying that is confirmation although for you the answer would be yes. :)


Yea, I'm confused myself....I have had many other encounters with these Monarchs at times where I haven't searched for them...but NEEDED them. I'm confused as to what they mean as well. I still am skeptic about both Angels and the other side....I keep asking myself...HOW can I STILL be skeptic? I have been given so many signs that have not been SEARCHED for. FEAR OF THE UNKNOWN is overpowering the evidence or signs I truly have been given.:(
 

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Yea, I'm confused myself....I have had many other encounters with these Monarchs at times where I haven't searched for them...but NEEDED them. I'm confused as to what they mean as well. I still am skeptic about both Angels and the other side....I keep asking myself...HOW can I STILL be skeptic? I have been given so many signs that have not been SEARCHED for. FEAR OF THE UNKNOWN is overpowering the evidence or signs I truly have been given.:(

Apparently you are still a skeptic because you have not worked out the meaning of these events. There is no need to rush to a conclusion and nothing wrong with that. I have a nephew who died and my wife is convinced he has sent us signs that he is still around in some form. Things like many cell phones all ringing at the same time and car horns going off in the parking lot during his Rosary.
 

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Most Atheists don't believe in God for the same reason they don't believe in spirits because those two concepts lay outside what can be proven.

That would be logical. However I read that the young generation in the US has a higher percentage of atheists than the older generations. But the young generation is also more superstitious. Go figure! :dunno

Kind of another topic but a common misconception about atheists is they claim to know God doesn't exist. Yes, some atheists claim to know that but that is more than just atheism. A theist is someone who believes a personal god exists. An atheist is simply someone who does not. It's really a yes or no question. Either a person believes or they don't. Someone may not know if they're right but rarely do they not know what they believe. True?

I am an agnostic atheist. There is no conclusive evidence God exists. Without evidence I can't know whether he exists but I don't believe he does. Perhaps an analogy will help. I do not believe anyone on earth has ever been abducted by an alien but I do not know that for a fact. If someone asked me if I thought so-and-so was abducted by an alien I wouldn't say maybe. I'd say no. If they asked me how I know I'd say I don't but I'm not going to believe it without any evidence.

One final point, some people are agnostic atheists but are reluctant to use the title atheist because of the negative attitude many harbor toward atheists. I occasionally do that myself. You're much more likely to be accepted if you tell someone you're not religious than telling them you're an atheist. Besides saying you're an atheist conveys little and is divisive. Now days when someone says they're a theist they may mean they believe in love. I'm a theist too if that's what they mean. I prefer the label humanist unless I'm discussing the existence of a personal God.
 
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That would be logical. However I read that the young generation in the US has a higher percentage of atheists than the older generations. But the young generation is also more superstitious. Go figure! :dunno

I think it is a rejection of traditional belief, but the search for meaning and spirituality continues.

Kind of another topic but a common misconception about atheists is they claim to know God doesn't exist. Yes, some atheists claim to know that but that is more than just atheism. A theist is someone who believes a personal god exists. An atheist is simply someone who does not. It's really a yes or no question. Either a person believes or they don't. Someone may not know if they're right but rarely do they not know what they believe. True?
I don't know. The problem I have with some Athiests (I'm Agnostic), is instead of just saying "I don't believe", they come across as arguing dis-belief in God as if it is a fact, when it is just a lack of proof. If you look at the definition of "fact" (Dictionary.com), it involves a positive proof of something. But maybe they are just arguing there is no basis and I'm too sensitive. ;)

I am an agnostic atheist. There is no conclusive evidence God exists. Without evidence I can't know whether he exists but I don't believe he does. Perhaps an analogy will help. I do not believe anyone on earth has ever been abducted by an alien but I do not know that for a fact. If someone asked me if I thought so-and-so was abducted by an alien I wouldn't say maybe. I'd say no. If they asked me how I know I'd say I don't but I'm not going to believe it without any evidence.
I have no problem with your approach, but I'll ask have you ever felt something just out of reach, that you really can't put a finger on? Or a feeling of well being? I'm not prepared to say the source for these feelings are internal (self generated) or external, but that is my basis for preferring to say "I don't know". However if I was to be real specific, I would have to say there is no basis to believe in a particular God or any God at all. However the "buzz" in my head (high on life so to speak ;)), prevents me from saying I disbelieve in the possibility of an existence greater than what we experience in this human life.

One final point, some people are agnostic atheists but are reluctant to use the title atheist because of the negative attitude many harbor toward atheists. I occasionally do that myself. You're much more likely to be accepted if you tell someone you're not religious than telling them you're an atheist. Besides saying you're an atheist conveys little and is divisive. Now days when someone says they're a theist they may mean they believe in love. I'm a theist too if that's what they mean. I prefer the label humanist unless I'm discussing the existence of a personal God.
I think the term Atheist without further explanation connotates "dirt to dirt" thinking. Somehow we came into being and when we die, it's all over. Based on the obvious, I can see this conclusion. When you watch things die, that is how it appears. It might also be assumed that this is the end of consciousness. It died, it no longer exists, right? But to keep this from turning into a longer post than it all ready is, I'll say that we don't know everything. Infinity is a long time. You came into being once, why not again? I prefer saying "I don't know." :D
 

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I don't know. The problem I have with some Athiests (I'm Agnostic), is instead of just saying "I don't believe", they come across as arguing dis-belief in God as if it is a fact, when it is just a lack of proof. If you look at the definition of "fact" (Dictionary.com), it involves a positive proof of something. But maybe they are just arguing there is no basis and I'm too sensitive. ;)

Well if you think about it, the non-existence of God IS a fact, as there is no evidence nor proof of any kind to the contrary. It is true by default. At this moment in time, God does not exist except in people's hearts and minds.
 
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