An interesting Verse from the Bible.

[All Else Failed]

Nothing could have come from any place BUT god, since he created EVERYTHING (and that means everything). Just because the bible didn't mention angels in the creation story doesn't mean he didn't make them. It doesn't say anything about a lot of things, yet they were created by him. (supposedly).

ok so by the above posts just goes to show that you are making this follow excatally what is written in the bible. so why didnt god tell the prophets that he specifically made angels.

and that last one is especially my favorite thing you said...just because it doesnt say in the bible that our choices could kill us or kill others doesnt mean its not true...just because it doesnt say in the bible that satan could convince people to do something..or affect our choices doenst mean its not true.

Or does that only go for points you are trying to prove?

Well, seeing as how nothing can exist outside of god's power he had to have created them, soooooo

It doesn't say anything about atoms, or molecules, but he has to have created them as well, and he told the prophets nothing about things like that, so whats your point?

You are missing the point of the thread though. It is stated by the people who TALKED to god, that our lives are predestined. This mean even Adam and eve's lives were already decided, god made them to originate sin.

 

[Kat]

Nothing could have come from any place BUT god, since he created EVERYTHING (and that means everything). Just because the bible didn't mention angels in the creation story doesn't mean he didn't make them. It doesn't say anything about a lot of things, yet they were created by him. (supposedly).

Well, seeing as how nothing can exist outside of god's power he had to have created them, soooooo

It doesn't say anything about atoms, or molecules, but he has to have created them as well, and he told the prophets nothing about things like that, so whats your point?

You are missing the point of the thread though. It is stated by the people who TALKED to god, that our lives are predestined. This mean even Adam and eve's lives were already decided, god made them to originate sin.

I am not in any way missing the point of this thread. but the debate went on to include other things as well as what was originally debated. So i went with that also.

also the bible was written by man. Man can make mistakes and interpret things in their own way...which would mean that maybe the person who wrote what he said. Didnt copy down word for word. Who are we to know. My belief remains god gave us all freedom to choose what we are to do. and that satan can also affect things. And even then all things work for the good of those who love the lord. which would lead me to believe that even when things go horribly bad. There is a plan...god will heal and shelter you in the palm of his hand. So says the bible

 

[Kat]

and my point was that you say that he didnt mention or not mention something...so it does go by interpretation. What each person believes it to mean. cause any word said can mean something different to everybody.

So even your original post is left for how each person takes it.

 

[All Else Failed]

I am not in any way missing the point of this thread. but the debate went on to include other things as well as what was originally debated. So i went with that also.

also the bible was written by man. Man can make mistakes and interpret things in their own way...which would mean that maybe the person who wrote what he said. Didnt copy down word for word. Who are we to know. My belief remains god gave us all freedom to choose what we are to do. and that satan can also affect things. And even then all things work for the good of those who love the lord. which would lead me to believe that even when things go horribly bad. There is a plan...god will heal and shelter you in the palm of his hand. So says the bible

So how do you know that man got anything right when they wrote it down? By your logic, you could be following something that is actually going against god and not even know it.

 

[Kat]

So how do you know that man got anything right when they wrote it down? By your logic, you could be following something that is actually going against god and not even know it.

True...but it is still what i believe that god will take something evil some act to hurt us or another and heal and shelter those who trust him. and now im done here again

 

[All Else Failed]

Well if I were you I would try to make sure I was worshiping the right thing. You risk burning for eternity.

 

[Kat]

ok so i found this and it explains better the point i was trying to make actually about what it could be considered...its all in how you view it

“Where can I go from Your Spirit?​

Or where can I flee from Your presence?​

If I ascend into heaven, You are there;​

If I make my bed in hell, behold, You are there.”
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psalms 139 Verse 7&8​

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This verse substantiates the Omnipresence of God, as He is everywhere. Not one of us, the righteous or the unrighteous can escape from God’s presence. We may not choose to abide with Him, but that does not preclude His being present. God is like the air we breathe, clean air anyway, we can’t see it but it is there. As soon as it’s gone, we die! It wasn’t by accident that God breathed the “breath of life” into Adam’s nostrils before he became a living being.

So, as we make our journey in life, whether our own selfish thoughts and desires lead us or whether we allow God through His Holy Spirit to guide us, He is always present, in our midst. He doesn’t force Himself upon us, but rather, He allows us to make the choices. The downside, however, to our freedom, is that God’s Laws of Creation and Physics are always at work. His continuous presence likewise invokes these “natural” laws, with the basic one being “For every action there is a reaction”. Therefore, unwise decisions bring about unpleasant consequences, even when God is present.

 

[Kat]

Well if I were you I would try to make sure I was worshiping the right thing. You risk burning for eternity.

all i can do is believe...and for me that is good enough...shoot what if im wrong..what if theres nothing no god no afterlife no heaven or hell...but ya know what...the little faith i have...gives me hope...and comfort sometimes. that is all i need

 

[All Else Failed]

all i can do is believe...and for me that is good enough...shoot what if im wrong..what if theres nothing no god no afterlife no heaven or hell...but ya know what...the little faith i have...gives me hope...and comfort sometimes. that is all i need

Well, if you are wrong and worship wrongly and there is a god, you're going to burn. :^/

 

[GraceAbounds]

AEF,

Kat and others here are kindly sharing their faith. I believe that someone that is actually a Christian, or trying to be a Christian, is going to shed more light regarding faith and spirituality of the matter because it is a personal thing and their heart is in the right place on the matter. Faith is more about the heart than anything else. Knowledge is open to everyone. Spirituality isn't.

Many, including myself, have come to many of these threads to share our spirituality by answering some of the questions posted. It is our spiritual truth. It is not to convert anyone. It is just discussion. If someone were to be shedding light on being a Buddhist I would not come in and insult them or be rude to them just because they do not believe the same thing I do spiritually. They are just sharing their personal truth of their faith.

If you do not believe in any type of religion, faith, spirituallity or what ever you want to call it, that is your choice and that is fine. But your treatment of others is unacceptable. Why do you act so ugly?

 

[All Else Failed]

AEF,

Kat and others here are kindly sharing their faith. I believe that someone that is actually a Christian, or trying to be a Christian, is going to shed more light regarding faith and spirituality of the matter because it is a personal thing and their heart is in the right place on the matter. Faith is more about the heart than anything else. Knowledge is open to everyone. Spirituality isn't.

Many, including myself, have come to many of these threads to share our spirituality by answering some of the questions posted. It is our spiritual truth. It is not to convert anyone. It is just discussion. If someone were to be shedding light on being a Buddhist I would not come in and insult them or be rude to them just because they do not believe the same thing I do spiritually. They are just sharing their personal truth of their faith.

If you do not believe in any type of religion, faith, spirituallity or what ever you want to call it, that is your choice and that is fine. But your treatment of others is unacceptable. Why do you act so ugly?

Since when is disagreeing with people considered ugly? I think I'm kindly sharing my knowledge as well. Its not like I'm setting out to bash you guys or anything.

I thought spirituality was open to anyone who wants to believe in it?

Is me telling you to read a science text book considered unacceptable? I was pretty much just fooling around, I didn't know you'd take it this seriously. Other than that I don't see how I've been disrespectful to anyone. I guess people just get defensive when their beliefs are challenged?

It's just this whole attitude of religious people that "We know the ultimate truth! You're the one that needs saving! Spirituality is for US!" is so insulting and just blows my mind. Trust me, I was EXTREMELY RELIGIOUS not too long ago, I know what the mindset is like.

You can share your spirituality, theres nothing wrong with that, but I'm going to question it, there is also nothing wrong with that either. You MUST question what you believe in. To just follow blindly is dangerous.

 

[GraceAbounds]

Since when is disagreeing with people considered ugly?

There is nothing wrong with having different beliefs. But it is not up to you to disagree with someone's spirituality, just as it is not up to me to disagree with someone's lack of spirituality.

I think I'm kindly sharing my knowledge as well.

You are not being kind.

I thought spirituality was open to anyone who wants to believe in it?

Yes it is open to everyone, but if one is not an atheist then how can they really speak on it and relate other than giving it's definition? They can't. Same goes for being a Christian. Other than giving a text book definition, anyone other than a Christian is not going to shed light on the 'spiritual' aspects because they are not experiencing the spiritual aspect.

This was my point. I'm sorry if the way I worded it in my previous post was not clear.

Is me telling you to read a science text book considered unacceptable?

Yes because you were being condescending.
I am twice your age. I have been to college. And I am back in college. My field is nuclear medicine and I have read a ton of science college books. I love science. I am not uneducated.

I was pretty much just fooling around, I didn't know you'd take it this seriously.

I didn't take offense to that particular sentence. The staff on this forum thought that is what I took offense to in your post. But they were mistaken, so it was a misunderstanding. What I actually took offense to was what you have refused to apologize for.

Other than that I don't see how I've been disrespectful to anyone.

If you think the manner in which you post is ok and you know that when you are posting that your heart is in the right place then your posts would not come across so harsh and rude.

I guess people just get defensive when their beliefs are challenged?

I do not feel an ounce of defensiveness against you AEF. I am not trying to challenge your beliefs. Other people can not shake or challenge my spiritual beliefs because my spiritual beliefs are personal, they do not involve you or anyone else.

It's just this whole attitude of religious people that "We know the ultimate truth! You're the one that needs saving! Spirituality is for US!" is so insulting and just blows my mind. Trust me, I was EXTREMELY RELIGIOUS not too long ago, I know what the mindset is like.

I can certainly understand that. I have had bad 'religious' experiences as well. The difference is that you seem to be taking out your above attitude on people that are not of the same belief system as you. And that is unkind.

You can share your spirituality, theres nothing wrong with that, but I'm going to question it, there is also nothing wrong with that either.

It is not up to you to question me or anyone about their personal faith. Just like I am not going to question you on your faith. It is personal. Asking questions 'about' a particular faith is one thing. Disagreeing with a faith and saying it is not for you is fine as well. But you cross that line of talking about it as an issue to making it personal. To be unkind and sarcastic to people because you disagree is wrong. You will never make anyone see the error of their ways by behaving in that manner.

You MUST question what you believe in. To just follow blindly is dangerous.

This is your opinion and a controlling one at that. It is not up to you what others believe in. Just like it is not up to me what you believe in. What we need to do is respect one another and be kind.

 

[All Else Failed]

There is nothing wrong with having different beliefs. But it is not up to you to disagree with someone's spirituality, just as it is not up to me to disagree with someone's lack of spirituality.

So, if someone says that they believe in flying unicorns, its not my place to question that?

You are not being kind.

I think I'm being pretty civil about things. You just seem to shy away from me questioning what you believe in. There's really nothing wrong with that.

Yes it is open to everyone, but if one is not an atheist then how can they really speak on it and relate other than giving it's definition? They can't. Same goes for being a Christian. Other than giving a text book definition, anyone other than a Christian is not going to shed light on the 'spiritual' aspects because they are not experiencing the spiritual aspect.

I have experience "spirituality", and I know where it comes form. But I'm not going to get into that here.

This was my point. I'm sorry if the way I worded it in my previous post was not clear.

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Yes because you were being condescending.
I am twice your age. I have been to college. And I am back in college. My field is nuclear medicine and I have read a ton of science college books. I love science. I am not uneducated.

And you're being condescending of "Hey you don't understand my spirituality, you can't possibly understand it as I do!"

I didn't take offense to that particular sentence. The staff on this forum thought that is what I took offense to in your post. But they were mistaken, so it was a misunderstanding. What I actually took offense to was what you have refused to apologize for.

I don't apologize for my beliefs. No one should.

If you think the manner in which you post is ok and you know that when you are posting that your heart is in the right place then your posts would not come across so harsh and rude.

Is my heart in the wrong place? Tell me where it should be.

I do not feel an ounce of defensiveness against you AEF. I am not trying to challenge your beliefs. Other people can not shake or challenge my spiritual beliefs because my spiritual beliefs are personal, they do not involve you or anyone else.

Thats fine, but you can't really expect people not to call you out on your beliefs in a public setting when sharing them. This is debate.

I can certainly understand that. I have had bad 'religious' experiences as well. The difference is that you seem to be taking out your above attitude on people that are not of the same belief system as you. And that is unkind.

I'm not trying to insult anyone, I just think that people get offended when someone says something contrary to what they believe and think that those people are trying to offend them.

It is not up to you to question me or anyone about their personal faith. Just like I am not going to question you on your faith. It is personal. Asking questions 'about' a particular faith is one thing. Disagreeing with a faith and saying it is not for you is fine as well. But you cross that line of talking about it as an issue to making it personal. To be unkind and sarcastic to people because you disagree is wrong. You will never make anyone see the error of their ways by behaving in that manner.

Why not? Why should we not ask questions of what we and other believe in? That is what is so important about discussion, to understand each other. You seem to want to discuss things, but your faith is some sort of "off limits" area. Beliefs are issues, since they effect other people, if anything they NEED to be discussed. Again, I don't think I'm being unkind. You would know it if I was to be unkind in discussions.

This is your opinion and a controlling one at that. It is not up to you what others believe in. Just like it is not up to me what you believe in. What we need to do is respect one another and be kind.

So never question what you believe in? I call that ignorance. You're right, it's not up to me to decide what people believe in, its up TO YOU. That is why you must question it to make sure! I am respecting you by asking about your beliefs, if I didn't care I wouldn't even be asking in the first place.

 

[GraceAbounds]

I do question what I believe in, but that is none of your business. It is my spirituality. It is my own walk and no one elses.

You made an incorrect assumption of the meaning of a statement that I made and accused me of calling people dumb/stupid/ignorant.

Then you turn around and make the following statement which cannot be misconstrued as any other way: So never question what you believe in? I call that ignorance.

Part of all spiritually requires a bit of blind faith. And people that engage in blind faith are not ignorant. It takes a bit of blind faith to get up every morning. We never know for sure what the day has in store for us.

 

[All Else Failed]

I do question what I believe in, but that is none of your business. It is my spirituality. It is my own walk and no one elses.

Ok, I have no problem with that.

You made an incorrect assumption of the meaning of a statement that I made and accused me of calling people dumb/stupid/ignorant.

It really did seem that way, but if there was some miscommunication thats understandable.

Then you turn around and make the following statement which cannot be misconstrued as any other way: So never question what you believe in? I call that ignorance.


I stand by that. I'm not trying to insult, I'm trying to make you see that its only beneficial to question what you believe in.

Part of all spiritually requires a bit of blind faith. And people that engage in blind faith are not ignorant. It takes a bit of blind faith to get up every morning. We never know for sure what the day has in store for us.

I have nothing against you, I'm sure you're a very nice person. I just think most of this came from a large amount of miscommunication....No hard feelings.

 

[Dodge_Sniper]

If God has pre-planned each and every day of our lives, that means he chose who's gay and who's not. Think about that