An interesting Verse from the Bible.

[420SkeetSkeet420]

I dont know about beliving in the bible or any religous theries. This is just my opinion!I dont think that everyone is "PUT" hear bye any religous god.We are just an orginism multiplied beyond belife!!!!

 

[memento_mori]

This passage comes from the extremely popular Christian book, that has sold well over 20 million copies, The purpose driven life:


Because god made you for a reason,
he also decided when you would be
born and how long you would live.
He planned the days of your life in
advance, choosing the exact time of
your birth and death. The bible says:
"You saw me before I was born
and scheduled each day of my life before
I began to breath. Everyday was recorded in your book! [Psalm 139:16]


So, since God has scheduled EXACTLY when you will die.....does that mean he has scheduled all of the abortions that have ever taken place?

this is strictly biblical interpretation. if the bible or this passage means anything to you, post your interpretation and possibly where in the bible gives you reason to believe that

 

[icecuban]

great question, yeah, its all him, give him the credit! He turns the rotten apple into food for small small creatures! i think that certain things, good and bad, that have happened, had to happen in order to get to where we need to be. truely, nothing seriously "bad" happens, cause in one way, shape, or form, through the physics and happenings of nature and god, something good will result from the cause and effect, in turn leading somewhere else (if he does have it planned out, then im sure thats how it would work then). i think it is all needed, the good and bad, up till this point, to give us something to get over, give us something that will require a lot of heart to get rid of. and in doing so, strengthening us for a final product. from ape, to man, to ....

 

[EmperorKupcake]

Well, whenever there was something evil that mankind has encountered, mankind has learned how to overcome that obstacle. Its sort of like a parent teaching their child to solve their own problems, as opposed to giving the child the solution. If God gave us a utopian society where everything was fine and dandy, we would not be nearly as successful as we are now.

I know, some of you will argue that mankind as a whole is going downhill currently, but when you look at the past 10 centuries, we've went from a Feudal Society where the majority of the population is in serfdom (essentially slavery) or in the military. Then more unified oppression as monarchs, where the working class conditions improved slightly. Then bam, Salutory Neglect hits the American Colonies. For the first time in the millenium, mankind has experienced relative freedom. However, Britain ended Salutory Neglect and that angered the colonies, so they rebelled and all that fun stuff.

So in conclusion, God put these obstacles in existance so that we can fight to overcome them, and improve our society as a whole.

 

[All Else Failed]

Well, whenever there was something evil that mankind has encountered, mankind has learned how to overcome that obstacle. Its sort of like a parent teaching their child to solve their own problems, as opposed to giving the child the solution. If God gave us a utopian society where everything was fine and dandy, we would not be nearly as successful as we are now.

I know, some of you will argue that mankind as a whole is going downhill currently, but when you look at the past 10 centuries, we've went from a Feudal Society where the majority of the population is in serfdom (essentially slavery) or in the military. Then more unified oppression as monarchs, where the working class conditions improved slightly. Then bam, Salutory Neglect hits the American Colonies. For the first time in the millenium, mankind has experienced relative freedom. However, Britain ended Salutory Neglect and that angered the colonies, so they rebelled and all that fun stuff.

So in conclusion, God put these obstacles in existance so that we can fight to overcome them, and improve our society as a whole.

Can he do this by not killing people? It seems that he has a very odd and painful way of teaching us. Plus, it's pretty twisted to use humans as a means to an end.


I don't see how he can be a compassionate god by letting 9/11 happen either for example, oh wait he PLANNED that too going by this bible verse. He's one blood thirsty guy. The same goes for the holocaust.

 

[EmperorKupcake]

Can he do this by not killing people? It seems that he has a very odd and painful way of teaching us. Plus, it's pretty twisted to use humans as a means to an end.


I don't see how he can be a compassionate god by letting 9/11 happen either for example, oh wait he PLANNED that too going by this bible verse. He's one blood thirsty guy. The same goes for the holocaust.

People die. It happens. I mean, it seems sad to us, as we see things much more limited than God does. When you think about it, death, even on a massive scale, is necessary for improvement. If we didn't have the holocaust, we wouldn't have the terrible impression that the holocaust left on society, and so that would leave room for an even worse genocide in the "western" countries.

These massive tragedies are not God's evil plot, but more painful lessons. Its essentially letting a child learn the consequences for playing with scissors, or something like that. The kid gets a cut, but he'll live.
Same thing goes for society. We get damaged, but not destroyed.

 

[All Else Failed]

People die. It happens. I mean, it seems sad to us, as we see things much more limited than God does. When you think about it, death, even on a massive scale, is necessary for improvement. If we didn't have the holocaust, we wouldn't have the terrible impression that the holocaust left on society, and so that would leave room for an even worse genocide in the "western" countries.

These massive tragedies are not God's evil plot, but more painful lessons. Its essentially letting a child learn the consequences for playing with scissors, or something like that. The kid gets a cut, but he'll live.
Same thing goes for society. We get damaged, but not destroyed.

So you're saying every genocide, every rape, murder and such is fine because god wills it? The fact that god USES people as a means to an end is reprehensible. He doesn't mind mass murders if it pushes his ideas and "plan". Look into the eyes of a holocaust survivor, the pain that they hold, the traumatic experience they had to endure....for god's plan? Are we lab mice?


I'm sorry, but if people have to be butchered in the name of god and his plan I want none of that twisted plot. I hold humanity in too high of a regard to have us be treated as tools to "teach" people things. A loving parent doesn't let one of his kids venture out into traffic to die so that the others learn not to do it. A loving parent tells them from the very beginning what not to do to keep them safe. It seems god doesn't mind letting his kids venture into the road?

 

[Kat]

So you're saying every genocide, every rape, murder and such is fine because god wills it? The fact that god USES people as a means to an end is reprehensible. He doesn't mind mass murders if it pushes his ideas and "plan". Look into the eyes of a holocaust survivor, the pain that they hold, the traumatic experience they had to endure....for god's plan? Are we lab mice?


I'm sorry, but if people have to be butchered in the name of god and his plan I want none of that twisted plot. I hold humanity in too high of a regard to have us be treated as tools to "teach" people things. A loving parent doesn't let one of his kids venture out into traffic to die so that the others learn not to do it. A loving parent tells them from the very beginning what not to do to keep them safe. It seems god doesn't mind letting his kids venture into the road?

in all actuality...god did say from the very begining what NOT to do...but he also gave us free choice. It started with adam and eve...told them not to eat from that one tree...and what did they do? Therefor the results was for them to know pain of labor...pain of birth. He is like a parent in that regard...he can tell us what to do..what is best for us...but it is still up for us to decide. Unfortunatly free choice...sometimes has bad consequences...on the person making the choice and others around them

 

[All Else Failed]

in all actuality...god did say from the very begining what NOT to do...but he also gave us free choice. It started with adam and eve...told them not to eat from that one tree...and what did they do? Therefor the results was for them to know pain of labor...pain of birth. He is like a parent in that regard...he can tell us what to do..what is best for us...but it is still up for us to decide. Unfortunatly free choice...sometimes has bad consequences...on the person making the choice and others around them

You forget that god put the tree there in the first place, and made the serpent that tempted him, which was all his plan in the first place, so really god made them eat the fruit. It was in god's plan for Adam and eve to sin, there's no other way to look at it since he KNEW they would eat the fruit! So really, it didn't matter that he told them not to eat it, since his plan was for them to make original sin.

Also there is no such thing as free will in Christianity when god himself has already made up his mind where you're going to go, which the verse I posted proves in believer's own words.

 

[Kat]

You forget that god put the tree there in the first place, and made the serpent that tempted him, which was all his plan in the first place, so really god made them eat the fruit. It was in god's plan for Adam and eve to sin, there's no other way to look at it since he KNEW they would eat the fruit! So really, it didn't matter that he told them not to eat it, since his plan was for them to make original sin.

Also there is no such thing as free will in Christianity when god himself has already made up his mind where you're going to go, which the verse I posted proves in believer's own words.

Yes he put the tree there...but no he did not put the serpent...recall that the serpent was satan there to tempt them.

 

[All Else Failed]

Yes he put the tree there...but no he did not put the serpent...recall that the serpent was satan there to tempt them.

God made satan in the first place, and knew what he would do since god is all knowing.

 

[Kat]

sorry corection satan was using the serpent to speak to adam and eve

 

[Kat]

and satan was once one of the hosts of god...but wanted to have power over him so he became a fallen angel...hmm it doesnt specifiy who made angels...so how do you know god made satan...for that reason youd have to go into where god came from and such since the angels were here before creation and such

 

[All Else Failed]

and satan was once one of the hosts of god...but wanted to have power over him so he became a fallen angel...hmm it doesnt specifiy who made angels...so how do you know god made satan...for that reason youd have to go into where god came from and such since the angels were here before creation and such

God made everything, this is specifically stated in the bible, in genesis.

Also, according to the bible, god was "always around", so in the Christian belief system god has no creator, he always was.

 

[Kat]

God made everything, this is specifically stated in the bible, in genesis.

Creator of the heavens and earth...but where does it SPECIFY that he made the angels...since you seem so dead set on specifics...you say everything has to be spelled out. It never says angels in there...it tells of the creation of the hevens and earth yes...but umm where does it say about angels...and as for that matter satan had fallen before adam and eve from grace...so hade to have been before the heavens and earth were made...so specify please so im not so lost and confused

 

[SilentEyz]

The Fall Of Lucifer was before the Creation, It was basically a battle of Wills, and Lucifer (who at the time Was God's most loved Angel) lost and was banished to from the Heavens.

 

[All Else Failed]

Creator of the heavens and earth...but where does it SPECIFY that he made the angels...since you seem so dead set on specifics...you say everything has to be spelled out. It never says angels in there...it tells of the creation of the hevens and earth yes...but umm where does it say about angels...and as for that matter satan had fallen before adam and eve from grace...so hade to have been before the heavens and earth were made...so specify please so im not so lost and confused

Nothing could have come from any place BUT god, since he created EVERYTHING (and that means everything). Just because the bible didn't mention angels in the creation story doesn't mean he didn't make them. It doesn't say anything about a lot of things, yet they were created by him. (supposedly).

 

[SilentEyz]

Actually, Thats not even True, The bible speaks of other Gods, Of the Titans, and even mentions Zues himself. God created man, and he never Claimed to be the only God, Only the Superior God,

 

[Kat]

The bible verse says in plain English that God has planned every day of your life out, and has planned when you will die, so I don't see how Satan comes into this.

Prophets are people that had direct connections with god. God LITERALLY talked to them, and they wrote down/preached what he said to them.

Nothing could have come from any place BUT god, since he created EVERYTHING (and that means everything). Just because the bible didn't mention angels in the creation story doesn't mean he didn't make them. It doesn't say anything about a lot of things, yet they were created by him. (supposedly).

ok so by the above posts just goes to show that you are making this follow excatally what is written in the bible. so why didnt god tell the prophets that he specifically made angels.

and that last one is especially my favorite thing you said...just because it doesnt say in the bible that our choices could kill us or kill others doesnt mean its not true...just because it doesnt say in the bible that satan could convince people to do something..or affect our choices doenst mean its not true.

Or does that only go for points you are trying to prove?

 

[SilentEyz]

OMG.. I just read the Verse we were talking about, Wow, talk about finding your own explanation.

God Always spoke of a book of life, but its not prewritten, it is a recording of everyday of your life, it is written as you live, as you make your choices, It is the book that decides your fate when you stand before him.