American Wages and Healthcare Compared To Australia

[Minor Axis]

Have you found one yet?

I'm not going searching, but I'd like you to deny that practically every time I bad mouth the shitheads, you tell me I'm wrong, mistaken, partisan, or a lair. What would you like me to call that?

 

[Accountable]

I'm not going searching, but I'd like you to deny that practically every time I bad mouth the shitheads, you tell me I'm wrong, mistaken, partisan, or a lair. What would you like me to call that?

I think that if you look back, the vast majority of my responses to your rants against the Repubs is to point out that the same can be said for the dems. Why? Because there's no difference between 'em.

 

[Minor Axis]

I think that if you look back, the vast majority of my responses to your rants against the Repubs is to point out that the same can be said for the dems. Why? Because there's no difference between 'em.

Apparently anyone who does not match your "just" view of the world gets tossed into the same hamper. There are worlds of differences between the two parties. I'll grant it that you see them as equally bad/exceeded your threshold, but I can discern between their view points and goals. Now, my guess the GOPpers hate Ron Paul almost as much as they do Dems. It will be tough for him to get the GOP nomination.

 

[Accountable]

Apparently anyone who does not match you "just" view of the world gets tossed into the same hamper. There are worlds of differences between the two parties. I'll grant it that you see them as equally bad/exceeded your threshold, but I can discern between their view points and goals. Now, my guess the GOPpers hate Ron Paul almost as much as they do Dems. It will be tough for him to get the GOP nomination.

Their goals are identical. Maximum governmental control. Their rhetoric is different, and has many people fooled into thinking that words = deeds.

 

[Minor Axis]

Their goals are identical. Maximum governmental control. Their rhetoric is different, and has many people fooled into thinking that words = deeds.

I disagree. Libertarian = dismantle government, each individual for themselves, survival of the fittest, along with the accumulations of power into a small number of hands, just like the Republican are fighting for every day. I don't see that as viable.

 

[Accountable]

I disagree. Libertarian = dismantle government, each individual for themselves, survival of the fittest, along with the accumulations of power into a small number of hands, just like the Republican are fighting for every day. I don't see that as viable.

What programs have the Repubs dismantled? I believe the oldtimers remember the Repubs promising to do away with the Dept of Ed as soon as Jimmy Carter created it. Dismantled? Hardly. It's bigger and more intrusive than ever.

The healthcare thing: are they saying dismantle it? No, they're saying repeal and replace. The control's in Washington now. They're not about to let it go.

Have you forgotten the Patriot Act? Republicans' big government program.

Department of Homeland Security? Republicans' big government program.

As for accumulations of power into a small number of hands, that's exactly what Obama et al are doing. What do you think centralizing everything in Washington is, if not concentrating power in fewer hands?

BOTH sides of The Party are growing government larger and larger. BOTH sides are concentrating power in fewer and fewer hands.

You're listening to the words and ignoring the behavior, Minor.

 

[Johnfromokc]

What programs have the Repubs dismantled? I believe the oldtimers remember the Repubs promising to do away with the Dept of Ed as soon as Jimmy Carter created it. Dismantled? Hardly. It's bigger and more intrusive than ever.

What they will do, is find a way to transfer taxes as profits to their private sector donors. "School Vouchers" comes to mind.

The healthcare thing: are they saying dismantle it? No, they're saying repeal and replace. The control's in Washington now. They're not about to let it go.

Oh no..."Obamacare", as the Republicans have cleverly named it, was actually written by Republicans. If you trace it back far enough, you will discover the Heritage Foundation concieved this plan around 1989 and fed it to the GOP, who made it a bill in 1993.

Obamacare is in fact a Republican plan. It will not be repealed, just like your DOE example. The Republicans will simply look for a way to modify it and make it profitable for their corporate contributers.

Here's the plans side by side:

Here's the Republican plan side by side with "Obamacare" as well as the Republican plan from 1993. See much difference between "Obama's plan and the Republican plan of 1993?

The Republican's are only blustering about recinding "Obamacare". Obamacare is essentially what the Republicans wanted since 1993 when they submitted their plan to counter "Hillarycare".



Couldn't get the whole chart in the screen shot, so here's the link to the rest of it:

http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Graphics/2010/022310-Bill-Comparison.aspx

 

[Johnfromokc]

To the OP, how can you compare a country of roughly 22 million people to a country with roughly 311 million people? You are comparing apples to oranges. Besides, the #1 cancer here in the US is greed. Until you wipe that out, everything is a moot point.

I do not see where population has anything to do with it. Tax bases are relative. Theoretically, a larger working population and tax base should be able to afford universal health care far easier than Australia with it's smaller population. It comes down to political will and good management. The Australian people have decided they want universal health care, and they elected politicians that got it done. I think their political system is far superior to ours in that they have found a way for the common worker to beat back the monied interests and corporate lobbies that are the primary cause of our shrinking middle class, and 1,000,000 medical bankruptcies each year.

There is no acceptable reason to not have universal healthcare in the United States. We know how to do it, but the insurance and other corporate lobbies are fighting ot with billions of $$$ spent on propaganda to frighten the average American into voting against their own best interests.

We are already providing universal health care to our military members and dependents through TriCare. There's no reason TriCare and Medicare cannot be extended to 100% of our population.

Check out the TriCare benefits at a glance. Wouldn't you like to have a health plan like this?

http://www.tricare.mil/mybenefit/Pr...verview/WhatIsTRICARE/TRICAREBenefitAtAGlance