American Pride

[Peter Parka]

Wondered when you would get around to MJ even though this thread has nothing to do with him and I never mentioned him. Admit it, you're obsessed with the guy! :24::24::24:

 

[Goat Whisperer]

Wondered when you would get around to MJ even though this thread has nothing to do with him and I never mentioned him. Admit it, you're obsessed with the guy! :24::24::24:

Darn it! You discovered my secret :ninja the truth is I faked his death and he is tied up in my basement right now...

 

[kelvin070]

Ok, enough of all the pride. There is too much talk abt american pride and pride goes before a fall.

 

[Accountable]

No offense to anyone but I personally find that the people who contibute most to a countries bad reputation, out of politics, are the people who are running it down, verbally. Real proud people of their country take the critisim on board and act possitively, to change their country for the best, however small their contribution can be.

Hear Hear! Like the guy that decided to take the useless U's out of words like "color". :jk

 

[Accountable]

So if you dont do anything, however little to make your country look good and dont care either, what right have you to have pride in it?
Your brother serving in the army, yes pride for him but he's not you.

You're drinking again, aren't you? She said she started a nonprofit to make the world a better place. Any culture that influences and encourages its youth to take such positive steps is a country the whole world can take pride in. :clap

 

[Minor Axis]

And that improves peoples opinion of the USA, how?

Are there people in England that are proud of their country? If so why? I'm not asking this to change the focus of the conversation, but I grew up feeling pride (substitute word: pleased or pleasure) about my country mostly because of it's success and accomplishments that have been greatly diminished as of late.

After I reviewed several definitions of "pride" and being "proud", I realize pride can be a slippery slope. There is nothing wrong with feeling admiration as long as it's not excessive for the accomplishments of others, such as being proud of a child's accomplishment or what your country has achieved. For a country those achievements can be individual rights, freedoms, religious freedoms, privacy standards, social tolerance, standard of living, financial, world standing, even inundating your culture into countries around the world! I'd say through at least the 1960's, citizens of the U.S. could cite the previous examples as reasons to be pleased. IMO, since the 60's we have been on a long slide for reasons to be proud.

Pride in yourself is dicier. In moderation it seems to be ok especially if it is a mechanism for self improvement. But if over done, it's bad and just for reference, some religions consider it a sin.

Possibly of interest (each of the first two links has multiple variations on pride):
Merriam Webster: 1: the quality or state of being proud: as a: inordinate self-esteem : conceit b: a reasonable or justifiable self-respect c: delight or elation arising from some act, possession, or relationship <parental pride>

Wikipedia- Pride is, depending upon context, either a high sense of the worth of one's self or one's own or a pleasure taken in the contemplation of these things. One definition of pride in the first sense comes from Augustine: "the love of one's own excellence." [1] In this sense, the opposite of pride is humility.

Pride is considered by the church as the deadliest of Seven Deadly Sins.

 

[Meirionnydd]

Are there people in England that are proud of their country? If so why? I'm not asking this to change the focus of the conversation, but I grew up feeling pride (substitute word: pleased or pleasure) about my country mostly because of it's success and accomplishments that have been greatly diminished as of late.

After I reviewed several definitions of "pride" and being "proud", I realize pride can be a slippery slope. There is nothing wrong with feeling admiration as long as it's not excessive for the accomplishments of others, such as being proud of a child's accomplishment or what your country has achieved. Those achievements can be individual rights, freedoms, privacy standards, social, standard of living, financial, world standing, even inundating your culture into countries around the world! I'd say through at least the 1960's, citizens of the U.S. could cite the previous examples as reasons to be pleased. IMO, since the 60's we have been on a long slide for reasons to be proud.

Pride in yourself is dicier. In moderation it seems to be ok especially if it is a mechanism for self improvement. But if over done, it's a sin.

Possibly of interest-
Merriam Webster: 1: the quality or state of being proud: as a: inordinate self-esteem : conceit b: a reasonable or justifiable self-respect c: delight or elation arising from some act, possession, or relationship <parental pride>

Wikipedia- Pride is, depending upon context, either a high sense of the worth of one's self or one's own or a pleasure taken in the contemplation of these things. One definition of pride in the first sense comes from Augustine: "the love of one's own excellence." [1] In this sense, the opposite of pride is humility.

Pride is considered by the church as the deadliest of Seven Deadly Sins.

Isn't extravagant wealth considered also considered one of the new 'deadly' sins by the catholic church?

That's slightly ironic don't you think, considering that the catholic church's extravagant wealth would surely qualify as... extravagant wealth.

Err, and sorry for derailing the topic of the thread, I just thought it would be interesting to mention. And to maybe point out that the 'seven deadly sins' are quite silly.

 

[Minor Axis]

Isn't extravagant wealth considered also considered one of the new 'deadly' sins by the catholic church?

That's slightly ironic don't you think, considering that the catholic church's extravagant wealth would surely qualify as... extravagant wealth.

Yes the first of the Seven Deadly Sins: Extravagance. Hence the phrase: practise what you preach!

 

[ssl]

Are there people in England that are proud of their country? If so why? I'm not asking this to change the focus of the conversation, but I grew up feeling pride (substitute word: pleased or pleasure) about my country mostly because of it's success and accomplishments that have been greatly diminished as of late.

After I reviewed several definitions of "pride" and being "proud", I realize pride can be a slippery slope. There is nothing wrong with feeling admiration as long as it's not excessive for the accomplishments of others, such as being proud of a child's accomplishment or what your country has achieved. For a country those achievements can be individual rights, freedoms, religious freedoms, privacy standards, social tolerance, standard of living, financial, world standing, even inundating your culture into countries around the world! I'd say through at least the 1960's, citizens of the U.S. could cite the previous examples as reasons to be pleased. IMO, since the 60's we have been on a long slide for reasons to be proud.

Pride in yourself is dicier. In moderation it seems to be ok especially if it is a mechanism for self improvement. But if over done, it's bad and just for reference, some religions consider it a sin.

Possibly of interest (each of the first two links has multiple variations on pride):
Merriam Webster: 1: the quality or state of being proud: as a: inordinate self-esteem : conceit b: a reasonable or justifiable self-respect c: delight or elation arising from some act, possession, or relationship <parental pride>

Wikipedia- Pride is, depending upon context, either a high sense of the worth of one's self or one's own or a pleasure taken in the contemplation of these things. One definition of pride in the first sense comes from Augustine: "the love of one's own excellence." [1] In this sense, the opposite of pride is humility.

Pride is considered by the church as the deadliest of Seven Deadly Sins.

Dude, I've already shat on the word pride.

Read the thread.

 

[Minor Axis]

Dude, I've already shat on the word pride.

Read the thread.

I have.

 

[Goat Whisperer]

There are more then one definitions of pride.

The pride I am talking about is the kind of pride we should have for each of our countries. I don't think I am better then anyone else because I am an American, but I still am proud to be one.